Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Boxing Hall of Fame (2008)

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:{{la|Festival of Boxing}} - AfD bundelled - see below.Peter Rehse (talk) 03:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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:Note: Nominated Page moved; this nomination adjusted accordingly.

Subject does not appear to be notable. There are two organizations claiming to be British Boxing Hall of Fame, neither of which appear to meet the WP:ORG Notability guidelines. News searches turn up a few hits, but few of those refer to either organization, and the one or two that does is a passing reference, and it is unclear which they refer to. Monty₈₄₅ 18:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

:::Note, I reviewed the article as a result of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=504625065&oldid=504607845 this] comment at helpdesk, but I don't think that the grounds mentioned there justify deletion. Monty₈₄₅ 18:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

• Delete Not notable, not encyclopedic, completely unverifiable. hajatvrc @ 18:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
• Delete -- I understand a hall of fame to be a building with exhibits, but there is none. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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• Delete as per above - I am also not so sure that Trademark infringement is not cause for Speedy Delete for the same reason that copyright infringement would be. I have also included the following article because of the close connection between the two. If the first one goes the other logically should follow.Peter Rehse (talk) 00:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

:{{la|Festival of Boxing}}

:*Note to closer Festival of Boxing was tagged by PRehse, pointed at this AfD and the above {{tl|la}} template was added, so I guess the closer should consider it as bundled to this nomination. Bundled nominations can be missed by the closer, especially if they aren't on the top, so I wanted to make it a bit more visible that it was here. Monty₈₄₅ 02:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - both, non-notable per the above. ukexpat (talk) 00:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
• Note - The festival has not yet been held WP:Crystalball.Peter Rehse (talk) 00:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable therefore not applicable to be on an encyclopedia. If a good amount of verifiable information is supplied, decision may change. John F. Lewis (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
• Delete both the non-notable wp:ORG and it's upcoming boxing card. Note also possible COI [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Boxing_Hall_of_Fame&diff=500163770&oldid=500115587 diff] 94.195.187.69 (talk) 03:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
• Weak delete This is a [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/3442897/Joe-Calzaghe-returns-to-chill-out-after-Roy-Jones-Jnr-triumph-in-New-York-Boxing.html reference] to the British Boxing Hall of Fame from a reliable source but its only an indirect one. Organization seems to lack notability in general. --Artene50 (talk) 08:35, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep This article links to the valid domain of the British Boxing Hall Of Fame [http://www.britishboxinghalloffame.com]. It is also recognized by over 30 ambassadors from British and world Boxing whom have held both British and World titles, of which links to some are included in the article. Please note that some of these Ambassadors are also inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame IBHOF. Also see article [http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/other-sport/boxing/2012/07/27/british-boxing-hall-of-fame-preview/] which refers to both the British Boxing Hall Of Fame and the Festival Of Boxing. The British Boxing Hall Of Fame also does exhibit memorabilia and artifacts at its headquarters. This article will be updated regularly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcusah (talk • contribs) 21:15, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep but refactor to describe the existence of two organisations (or make an article on each and use this as a disambiguation page). References include [http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/other-sport/boxing/2012/07/27/british-boxing-hall-of-fame-preview/]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
• Note Having read more about the name dispute, I've moved the nominated page, and made the original a disambiguation page. I've moved and updated this nomination accordingly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
• Note Page has been edited to include more information on the organisation and its operation. References also added to the page with link to recent news article. More news articles and links to be added as they are confirmed. Ambassadors have also been updated and links created. Marcusah (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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• Weak keep, or at least, hold off for a while before deleting. There seems to be a reference-able article here, with a bit of digging to find the documentation (and disentangling the two groups with the same name). Mike Peel (talk) 04:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

• Comment I am a bit confused - The Festival of Boxing talks as if the event has occured but the only mention I can find of it is August 2013. Am I missing something.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
• Strong delete the Festival, weak delete the HoF I found nothing to show that the festival is notable or sourced. The Hall of Fame lacks sufficient independent coverage to show notability, although more may be available when it opens in 2013. Until then it's WP:CRYSTALBALL. Jakejr (talk) 21:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
• Note I am concerned that some users commenting on this article are doing so without properly reading the material first. The delete request in relation to trademark issue is currently unfounded and is made without clarification or legal order. Copyright of the Emblem as shown in this article is claimed prior to any trademark existence by the claimant. It should also be noted that this article relates to an organisation with strong links with the British boxing industry and the boxers and non-combatants within it. This is a new article and although both the British Boxing Hall of Fame and the Festival Of Boxing still require more substance, links and references, they are valid pages containing factual information which will be enhanced on a regular basis. Those commenting on these articles please only do so if you have an authority within the industry of discussion or sufficient knowledge to do so. Comments on how to improve the article in line with Wikipedia preferences are gratefully received and will be acted upon 92.29.160.138 (talk) 23:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
• "Those commenting on these articles please only do so if you have an authority within the industry of discussion or sufficient knowledge to do so". Anyone with a view is welcome to comment, in line with Wikipedia's long- and well- established polices. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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