Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brock Mueller

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This person doesn't seem to be notable Unixtastic (talk) 21:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Delete: Unless this person has been involved in something notable I suggest we delete this page. Isn't there a more domain specific wiki for sportsmen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unixtastic (talk • contribs) 22:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. Actually, the source suggests he's played six games in the National Rugby League. The notability guidelines for athletes are at WP:ATH and suggest that anyone who has played in major professional leagues like the NRL is notable (scroll down to the rugby league section for details). He meets that test. --Lincolnite (talk) 22:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
• Keep – Per WP:NSPORTS, which states that National Rugby League competitors are considered notable enough for articles. This page isn't in great shape now, but that's shouldn't be a factor as far as notability's concerned. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
• Also Keep. He is notable after playing first grade games in the NSWRL. Although the page needs some work put into it. Mattlore (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
• Keep. Yep as the above said, sure the article isn't the best, but he has played first-grade rugby league which counts as notable. Josh the newcastle fan (talk) 01:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:*Comment: If you click view on the reference http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/brock-mueller/summary.html it lists him as position bench for every match he was in. Doesn't bench mean he didn't actually play? However, WP:ATH doesn't say he needs to play in any case, it says '[must] have have appeared in at least one match of a fully professional domestic Rugby league competition'. I don't think 'bench' counts as 'appears in', but others may have other opinions. Unixtastic (talk) 01:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

::*Comment. Those same stats say that he scored tries in two of those matches, which is a bit difficult to do from the bench. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:::* Your assumption is incorrect Unixtastic. Bench means he started from the bench, not he spent the whole match on the bench. I'm not sure what sports you are familiar with but it would be like a association football player coming on in the 20th minute or a Basketball player who wasn't in the starting 5 but played a decent number of minutes. Mattlore (talk) 23:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

::::*Comment: Bench doesn't imply that he did play, just that he might of. People can't be considered notable just because they might have done something. This article needs a few citations saying when this guy played in a rugby league game and what else he has done or we will never have more than a stub, anyone that we can't write more than a stub on can't be notable. I've tried to find citations and failed but that doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere. I don't think it's any more useful to have a stub article for every sportsman than it would be to have a stub article for every electrician. Unixtastic (talk) 13:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

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