Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bryce Alderson

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The result was delete. However, there is a reasonable request to move the article into userspace, which I can honor. Rlendog (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

=[[Bryce Alderson]]=

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PROD contested by IP with no explanation given. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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Delete - per nom. He has not received significant coverage or played in a fully pro league. As such, this article fails both WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 16:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 16:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Move to my namespace. Sorry. Was expecting him to start for the Whitecaps and broke WP:NFOOTBALL, although believe that the rules should change, but that's not a discussion for this space. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Bryce Alderson has appeared on the bench in league match in a fully professional league (wiki standards does not define 'appeared')...since, he has appeared on the team sheet, thus has satisfied the appeared portion in WP:NFOOTBALL — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.135.57 (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The exact wording of WP:NFOOTBALL criterion 2 reads "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully professional league, will generally be regarded as notable". It's quite clear that only being on the bench isn't sufficient, you actually have to play. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
"Players who have appeared". Appeared on what though because that is not "quite clear" as you have stated? Appeared on the pitch? Appeared on the team sheet? It does not specify that a player has to appear on the pitch, the criteria says only about players who have appeared and Bryce has appeared on the team sheet for a professional club which fits the current criteria specified in the WP:NFOOTBALL section. The section does NOT clearly state that a player has to appear on the pitch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.135.57 (talk) 20:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Almost forgot about the note displayed underneath that passage, which reads "Note: A player who signs for a domestic team but has not played in any games is not deemed to have participated in a competition, and is therefore not generally regarded as being notable". I think that puts it in pretty explicit and unambiguous terms. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Games like these:

http://www.whitecapsfc.com/news/2012/02/whitecaps-fc-win-third-straight-match-disney-pro-soccer-classic

http://www.whitecapsfc.com/news/2012/02/whitecaps-fc-defeat-houston-dynamo-1-0-disney-pro-soccer-classic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.135.57 (talk) 20:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

No, we've already been over this; appearances need to have been made in a fully professional league, not a pre-season tournament like the Walt Disney Pro Soccer Classic. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:23, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
"A player who signs for a domestic team but has not played in any games is not deemed to have participated in a competition"..last time i checked, the mickey mouse cup was a competition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.179.130 (talk) 00:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
That doesn't say that appearing in any competition is sufficient. As we've already discussed multiple times, the competition has to be a fully pro league, which the "mickey mouse cup" isn't. Simple fact is this player isn't notable until he makes his MLS debut. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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