Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cage rugby

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Contested Prod + Prod2 - Non Notable 'new' sport. Codf1977 (talk) 11:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

This is potentially a very notable new sport! it has been taken up across the North-West of England extensively. This page is simply an explanation of the key elements and rules of the game —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markovens10 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC) — Markovens10 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

• Delete Potentially a very notable new sport is not enough: there is no evidence anywhere that it is notable now: in fact not even the creator of the article claims that it is. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete as above. No coverage to back up claims of extensive take up. noq (talk) 11:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

What sort of evidence would you expect? the game is widely used amongst universities and schools across the merseyside region. its notable across the area. Potentially it will become nationwide/ global. It is already being used in Natal, South Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markovens10 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

:WP:Notability needs to be demonstrated by significant coverage in third party WP:reliable sources. The only external reference in the article is to the company behind it. There is nothing to back up your claims independently. noq (talk) 13:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

• Delete It sounds interesting, but it hasn't made [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cage%20rugby%22&hl=en&safe=active&sa=N&tbo=s&tbs=nws:1,sbd:1&ei=_yCyS4rOIoP58Ab_loC_AQ&oi=tool&resnum=1&ct=tlink&ved=0CC4QpwU the news] or a [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cage%20rugby%22&hl=en&safe=active&resnum=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1,sbd:1,bks:1&sa=N&tab=np book]. Until it gets noticed, it's not notable. The famous Natal Sharks play rugby and call their home field the "Shark Cage", but they don't play a sport called "cage rugby". Mandsford (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable game at this time. Article creator seems to be here primarily to promote Rugbyperformance ltd, as his only other article is also about a product created by that company -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Christhedude- There is now no mention of Rugbyperformance Ltd. on either page. Mandsford- The Natal Sharks use Cage rugby in their academies.

Cage Rugby is set to be rolled out across London this summer. The aim of this page is to give people who will be involved an idea of the reasons behind the game and an oversight into how it should be played. The game will be run by a community interest, n-profit organisation based in London (ie not Rugbyperformance) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markovens10 (talk • contribs) 08:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:: Comment - at the time he posted the message there was - you removed it with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cage_rugby&action=historysubmit&diff=353119461&oldid=352942869 this] edit - please stop tring to make others look mistaken. Codf1977 (talk) 08:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:::To be fair, he did say "there is now no mention......", so I don't think he's trying to claim it was never in there..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if it looked like that. I did write 'now there is no mention' so that you would know I deliberately removed it to stop people thinking this was a plug for the company.Markovens10 (talk) 09:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

::Markovens10 says "Cage Rugby is set to be rolled out across London this summer", following on from his/her earlier comment "Potentially it will become nationwide/ global". I thought I had covered this above where I wrote "Potentially a very notable new sport is not enough: there is no evidence anywhere that it is notable now". Markovens10 may like to read WP:CRYSTAL for a more detailed explanation of the fact that a Wikipedia article needs notability now, not speculation that notability may perhaps appear in the future. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Mark Ovens also said 'What sort of evidence would you expect? the game is widely used amongst universities and schools across the merseyside region', as well as in South Africa. Thus it is notable in these areas. What sort of evidence does Wikipedia need to prove notablity? Third-party evidence? Markovens10 (talk) 08:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markovens10 (talk • contribs) 08:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

:As stated above WP:Notability needs to be established from WP:reliable sources - the articles linked to explain what counts. And yes, it does need significant coverage in independent sources. noq (talk) 08:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

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