Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camilo Him (2nd nomination)

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Delete as the claims in the article are inflated, or misleading. Much of the language is promotional, and the citations link to promotional/personal sites (and SaatchiArt.com!). The short film Exitus (do not confuse with numerous other films of the same name) appears to have never screened at festival. His work is not in the LACMA collection, and the Big Shows exhibition appears to have been a rental space during fashion week. The essential question is whether his work as a fashion photographer rises to the level of notability. I don't think so, hence my bringing it here.

This went through AfD in 2014, with the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big Shows closed as merge to Camilo Him, which in turn was closed as non consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camilo Him with comments from the SPA creator of the pages that bordered on UNCIVIL.

I'm perplexed by the claim that two of the prints are in the LACMA collection, as the LACMA collections site has nothing under Him's name [https://collections.lacma.org/search/site/camillo%20him], and none of the 8 sources support the claim. They are all articles about the Sheats–Goldstein Residence being given to LACMA. Him did at least one photo shoot there, but that is what the house has been used for for decades, and does not establish notability. No... wait, I think I figured it out: this press release that Big Shows (e.g. Him) put out [https://www.prlog.org/12328160-james-goldstein-gets-camilo-hims-big-shows-prints.html] says that James Goldstein (the most recent owner of the house) bought two of his prints at charity auction, so these works must have been on the walls of the house that was donated to LACMA, and that is where the claim is coming from? That is a stretch.

Additionally, the Lincoln Center website has no reference to this exhibition titled Big Shows. [http://www.lincolncenter.org/search?q=camilo+him] There is a website, but it is primarily a gallery of photographs of fashion world people who were *at* the opening. There are some remaining event listings [https://www.artslant.com/ny/events/show/318369-big-shows], but these don't really establish whether this was a rental space, or whether LC curated it in some way. The sense I get is that it was a rental, likely in a fashion week tent. Theredproject (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Theredproject DO NOT be perplexed. Obviously your grounds for deletion are based on your personal opinion and speculation and in no way on real facts.

(1) On your question of “whether his work as a fashion photographer rises to the level of notability” says you? Obviously top international magazine brands and their editors have had no problem debating your personal taste. New York Fashion Week has no problem thinking about that. Celebrity publicists, model agencies, top fashion designers have no problem thinking about that. But you are above the all because you are..? a troll

(2) "The most recent owner of the house" has been there for decades and mind you there has only been 2 owners… the original owner and James Goldstein...talk about a stretch in language usage! troll

The fact that LACMA has acquire the house for their collection, means exactly that. All content in the house, including James hats, books and his art collection have become part of LACMA. So wait for their audit of the house contents before troll commenting. It is a fact! Go ask any foundation.

(3) Regarding Camilo Him’s “Big Shows” exhibit, again you are nothing but in full Conspiracy Theory territory. Camilo Him has been the only photographer to ever exhibit at The Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts “AT” the invitation of New York Fashion Week…. mind you NYFW (MBFW) is the highest organization in America in charged of the Fashion Shows in New York. He is not notable in your personal troll mind but obviously NYFW didn’t think as you do. And to speculate that any photographer can just walk in and rent a space to show their work is just insane… Somebody needs to watch THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA… nobody gets in unless he or she is invited to be in.

By the way top designers, celebrities, and supermodels attended his exhibit opening…

::FYI TheRedProject is a valuable contributor to Wikipedia who knows how to make thoughtful nominations and be civil with other editors.96.127.242.226 (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Delete References 16-28 they do not even include the name of the article subject! Incredible. Promotional garbage pile.96.127.242.226 (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

::I removed numerous Tumblr, youtube and promotional sources used as refs, and all of the LACMA collection refs and text, since it clearly is not true or supported by the refs.96.127.242.226 (talk) 05:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Theredproject and 96.127.242.226 Come on! You are not Wikipedia editors! You can’t fact check anything that is not on Instagram! Go ahead I dare you to delete article within 24 hours… Vlaich (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Theredproject and 96.127.242.226 Don't call it promotional garbage, plenty of Wikipedia editors changed the the article... You will have a great time editing all of Wikipedia if you don't like what they did before!Vlaich (talk) 05:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• Let's have a look at what the sources say (I'm ignoring the dead links):
• : [https://www.artslant.com/global/artists/show/368858-camilo-him] artslant is a portfolio website, anyone can create a profile. It is not an independent, reliable source.
• : [http://www.moda.ru/content/id/444/8696/Zaklyuchitelnyiy+otborochnyiy+tur+Natsionalnogo+konkursa+Miss+Rossiya+v+Peterburge/] mentions the subject as a member of the jury for a beauty pageant and refers to him as a французский fashion-фотограф (French fashion photographer) who shoots for L'Officiel.
• : [http://www.loveradio.ru/video/252093.htm/] I have no idea what this is, but it supports the claim that the subject was a judge at beauty pageants, which I have no reason to doubt. That the organizers of a Russian pageant would call a French photographer a celebrity is entirely plausible.
• : [https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/lifestyle/lunch-with-fashion-photographer-camilo-him-17238.html] is a piece by "Intern", not "Staff Writer", as the citation says. It does not mention Balmain, Balenciaga, and Ungaro, but mentions Christophe Sauvat instead.
• : [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3893498/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_2/] imdb.com is not a reliable source.
• : [http://www.exitusfilm.com/] is not an independent, reliable source
• : [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3893498/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_2/] imdb.com is not a reliable source.
• : [http://www.ellequebec.com/mode/designers/article/la-semaine-de-mode-automne-hiver-2013-2014-de-new-york#/] doesn't mention the subject
• : [https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ny-fashion-shows/#/] indiegogo is not an independent, reliable source
• : [https://huntedinterior.com/2016/11/one-room-challenge-week-6-reveal.html] is an interior design blog that shows a work by the subject and describes how the designer's cousin "won it at a Silent Auction".
• : In conclusion, there is only one source that looks like it might be usable (kyivpost.com), but the statement it supports is blatantly false. Celebrity or fame are not the same thing as notability. We require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, or something that meets the criteria set out in WP:ARTIST. I don't see anything that comes even close to meeting those. Delete Vexations (talk) 12:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Delete. Promotional garbage. Spam bombarded with dud sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:32, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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Theredproject 96.127.242.226 Vexations and duffbeerforme I agree with you… DELETE this article today!

The truth is that NEW YORK FASHION WEEK, Anna Sui, Carolina Herrera and all the top designers and celebrities who attended Camilo Him’s exhibit at the Lincoln Center (and there are plenty of photos to show it to be so) know nothing but weekend Wikipedia trolls who don’t get to go out of the house do! LOL

You can’t denied any of the facts… including that his work is now part of LACMA!

It was funny, I ran into a Wikipedia page recently of a very FAMOUS fashion personality that was tagged for deletion too on similar insane grounds… Have a great Sunday going over more people you have no clue about and will never have! DELETE… — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlaich (talk • contribs) 14:04, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Delete Clearly huge COI issues and puffery.Slatersteven (talk) 14:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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Theredproject 96.127.242.226 Vexations duffbeerforme Slatersteven What are you waiting for?

At least be honest, you can’t disprove that Camilo Him is a fashion photographer that has been celebrated by peers in his industry and honored by top fashion designers and NEW YORK FASHION WEEK and has worked for top fashion magazines… end of story DELETE!

Enjoy your Sunday chained to your mom’s basement washing machine trolling some more articles…Vlaich (talk) 14:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

:It is not down to us to prove he is not a fashion designer who has has been celebrated by peers in his industry and honored by top fashion designers and NEW YORK FASHION WEEK and has worked for top fashion magazines. It is down to you to prove this by linking to in depth coverage of him in third party RS.Slatersteven (talk) 15:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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• Delete. As per above, self promotional, non notable article. Work permit (talk) 14:55, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
• Delete Insufficient notability based on provided sources. --Ebyabe (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• Delete- Promotional, puffery-filled, article on a non-notable individual. Reyk _YO! 16:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:DEL#14/WP:NOTPROMO. If some independent editor can find sufficient good sources to adequately demonstrate notability then they can recreate it. Jbh ^Talk 17:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
• Seems like WP:SNOW.96.127.242.226 (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

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