Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Grimaldi

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Delete: as non-notable businessperson. Quis separabit? 23:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

• Weak keep - she had a New York Times obit. Bearian (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:51, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:51, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 23:51, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

• Rename to Carol and Patsy Grimaldi (or something similar). I don't think we have enough info for just a Carol Grimaldi article, however, the couple and their work over time I do think merits an article. There was a lot of drama involved with the pizza business with these two. Including Pasty Grimaldi will allow Wiki editors to expand into a good and interesting article. I'd be happy to work on it it some more myself. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
• Keep It's a weak keep, but given the news coverage, looks like a keep. I agree withMegalibrarygirl that it should really be a combined bio. Normally, I would say it should be an article on the business, but it changed names and that would make it hard to find.RockyMtChai (talk) 19:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
• Redirect to Grimaldi's Pizza instead as although the NYTimes could keep this, it's expected still at best and is still best connected to the pizzeria itself. SwisterTwister talk 07:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

• Apart from the obituaries, sources do in the main treat these two people inseparably, and thus so too should Wikipedia. There's a documented history for these two people crossing three different pizza shops, Patsy's, Grimaldi's, and Juliana's. And it is moderately in-depth coverage that addresses the people themselves, not solely the shops. Consider [http://www.grubstreet.com/2012/10/pizza-legend-patsy-grimaldi-gets-his-good-name-back.html this 2012 New York Magazine article] for instance, a source not in the article, and there are books that touch upon these people as well. There's other stuff about the husband in a book by Ed Levine, {{ISBN|9780789312051}}, for example. I think that the editors above have the right idea and the right approach: Patsy and Carol Grimaldi.

  I forsee some interesting talk page discussions, as we have supposedly reliable sources giving the same man as both the wife's and the husband's uncle. New York Times says in the 2014 obituary it was the wife's uncle. [http://nypost.com/2012/10/02/slicing-off-a-pizza-the-pie-grimaldis-brick-oven-battle/ New York Post in 2012] and several books say the husband's. Enjoy sorting that out.

  Uncle G (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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