Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cesar Rene Arce (2nd nomination)

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This biographical article is about a non notable individual whose only claim to notability was his murder. Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:BIO1E. 4meter4 (talk) 03:11, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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• Keep meets GNG. There was extensive coverage at the time of the shooting in 1995. I have just added book sources from 2000, 2003 and 2007. [https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Les_voies_de_la_cr%C3%A9ation_th%C3%A9%C3%A2trale/wiVaAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Cesar+Rene+Arce%22&dq=%22Cesar+Rene+Arce%22&printsec=frontcover Here's another 2003 source, a French book on theatre] that mentions them. [https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Legacies_of_Lynching/uBn6uqufGOEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Cesar+Arce%22+shot&pg=PA179&printsec=frontcover Here's a 2004 book] called "legacies of Lynchburg" that goes into the story in decent depth. It's enduring. Someone with knowledge of crime topics might fix the title (Shooting of Cesar Rene Arce?) --- Possibly ☎ 05:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

::The Arce shooting is also discussed in a half page section the Routledge Handbook of Graffiti and Street Art (2016), page 440. Now that I have read multiple sources, it's plain that the notable topic is the shooting. The shooter, who had just killed an 18-year old kid, was called a hero in Los Angeles. The shooting polarized the community. He had a lot of supporters for the killing, which in turn enraged others. This is what all the coverage is about, so I think it should definitely be renamed Shooting of Cesar Rene Arce after the AfD close. --- Possibly ☎ 06:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Possibly}} You may want to change and bold your vote from keep to “move”, which is a viable vote at AFD, for clarity sake for the closing admin. I can see the topic change being possibly notable, and it side steps the issues raised in the nomination by moving the article. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 11:31, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

::::{{re|4meter4}} I'm fine with it the way it is. Withdrawing the AfD might be appropriate, seeing as there are 15+ good sources spanning 21 years. --- Possibly ☎ 11:36, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{u|Possibly}} In retrospect, I should have thought of a topic change myself and made a move proposal instead of taking it to AFD. Your comment makes a lot of sense. Do you think this needs a move proposal, or should I just withdraw and move it myself?4meter4 (talk) 11:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

::::::{{re|4meter4}} I think you can withdraw this and then move the article after the close. --- Possibly ☎ 18:09, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

• Keep - WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:DIVERSE are being met in a perfectly sufficient way here. I'm also in agreement with the previous proposal to rename the article to Shooting of Cesar Rene Arce. {{u|4meter4}} per your last comment I think you'd be fine moving it yourself since the case for doing so is sufficiently obvious. /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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