Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chang Jiang: The Great River of China

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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to List of IMAX films. The film is a table entry in the target, not a section, so an RSECT is impossible. Owen× 22:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Article about a short documentary film, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NFILM. As always, every film is not always automatically notable enough for a Wikipedia article just because it exists, and must pass certain specific notability criteria to qualify for inclusion. But the only notability claim on offer here is that the film exists, and the only footnote is a Rotten Tomatoes entry that offers no tomato rating and lists no film reviews that could be pulled over to start building passage of WP:GNG.
I had to remove one other footnote, which was an unrecoverable deadlink to a site I cannot determine whether it would have been GNG-worthy or not, and a Google search found only primary sources and wikimirrors rather than anything GNG-worthy.
As the film was a Chinese-Japanese coproduction, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with skills in those languages can find coverage in those languages that wouldn't have turned up by searching on the English title, but just existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt a film from having to have any GNG-worthy sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 16:33, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, China, and Japan. Bearcat (talk) 16:33, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Redirect to List of IMAX films#Chang Jiang: The Great River of China (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion.

    A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  • I recommend adding an anchor to the "Chang Jiang: The Great River of China" row in the table in List of IMAX films.

    I found one strong source about the film:

    1. Monk, Katherine (2001-02-20). "Chang Jiang IMAX film skirts dam controversy" (pages [https://archive.today/2024.10.28-084937/https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun/157979674/ 1] and [https://archive.today/2024.10.28-085045/https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun/157979688/ 2]). Vancouver Sun. {{ProQuest|242586288}}. Archived from the original (pages [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun/157979674/ 1] and [https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun/157979688/ 2]) on 2024-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-28 – via Newspapers.com.

      This is an 872-word review of the film. The review notes: "While this movie, a Japan-China co-production, does show us the massive dam footings and retaining walls, it fails to explain what it all means. ... It could have engaged an eager audience with a valuable discussion about engineering, fluid dynamics, environmental sustainability and the river's rich history -- things that echo the actual displays at Science World. ... While we do get valuable scenic shots of what the river looks like now in glorious detail, we don't hear much about what it looked like before the deforestation in the pursuit of Chairman Mao's "Great Leap Forward," nor do we hear much about the river's key role in establishing sedentary communities. ... This movie is only halfway there. However, combined with the accompanying exhibit -- China! 7000 Years of Innovation -- and the host of educational materials on hand, Chang Jiang successfully opens the conversation for an audience of impressionable young people who will be forced to carry the burden of progress long after we're gone."

    This insufficient to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. One more source would allow the subject to pass the notability guideline. I was unable to find the Chinese name or Japanese name of the film which would have helped with finding sources in those languages. Cunard (talk) 08:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • The redirect suggested by Cunard seems to be a sensible ATD given the source presented. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC) (Other sources for verification include: https://www.giantscreencinema.com/film_database/chang-jiang-the-great-river-of-china/ )

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