Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chi-Town Bulldogs

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Article appears to have been written by a disgruntled would-be player. Team never played, was only a proposed expansion that never happened. In fact, it seems the team never even got to exist before it folded. I think this means it fails to meet the notability criteria given at WP:NSPORTS. KDS4444^Talk 13:20, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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• delete Never happened. No notability. Staszek Lem (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete Wasn't written by a bitter player, but the ABA is an amazingly unstable league where teams can come and go every day; this seems like one of them with no games played. Nate • (chatter) 18:59, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
• Delete: Aborted attempt to start a team; no evidence of anything especially notable happening with it. (On a related note, though: I find interesting the unsourced claim that someone collected $100 from each person for so-called "tryouts" for team that never formed. I wonder if that ended up being the main profit of this operation: I'll bet making a logo and a couple signs and renting out a high school gym isn't that much expense to get a few dozen people paying you $100 just to screw around on a high school basketball court. If there's a reliable source that this sort of thing is happening in the ABA, maybe it should be in the main ABA article.) --Closeapple (talk) 21:06, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
• Keep Generally, we are generous with franchises in professional sports. I understand that this is a regional semiprofessional sport, but I can see solid evidence that the team existed from respected sources: [http://www.eurobasket.com/teamRoster.asp?Cntry=USA&team=16120&option=Chi-Town%20Bulldogs&Cntr=USA&logo=chitowbu.gif&bkgColor=FFFFFF&rowColor=CCCCFF&fontColor=000000&showStaff=On&showAveg=On&showCmOrInch=both&curRoster=Y&rosterState=former&rosterType=display&showLogo=On&showFrTo=On&showTeamName=On a Eurobasket.com recent alumni list] and [http://basketball.usbasket.com/team/Chi-Town_Bulldogs/16120 USBasket.com current team info].--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

::Both of those citations shows the appearance of the team's name on a list, but neither says anything else about them. The fact of mere existence is different from notability, yes? And isn't notability considered the defining character of any Wikipedia article? I do not disagree that the team existed (at least in some theoretical sense) but I do not see evidence of notability. KDS4444^Talk 08:08, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

• Delete - Per above. The team never played a game and didn't garner enough press to automatically meet GNG. In general, the new ABA doesn't get enough coverage for its teams to meet GNG in my opinion. I had a franchise in my hometown for three years and didn't even know it - the local paper didn't even cover it. Rikster2 (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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