Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chloee Kleespies

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College athlete fails WP:GNG and does not come close to WP:NATH. Lots of search results, but none are WP:INDEPENDENT, all media related to her high school or college. A412 (Talk • C) 20:20, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, and Pennsylvania. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 20:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Delete College athletes are generally not notable, and with pretty much all sources here just being results statistics or routine player roster profiles, I see no basis for an exception here. I also request the author learn how to use the past tense; I'm astonished by the 42 instances of "would", which is a modal auxillary word used for future of the past, not regular past. Reywas92^Talk 02:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Keep, there are some GNG sources I found from a brief search at e.g. [https://georgiastatesports.com/news/2022/2/5/beach-volleyball-getting-to-know-graduate-transfer-chloee-kleespies.aspx] [https://news.utoledo.edu/index.php/10_29_2020/rocket-driven-to-help-other-diabetic-athletes] [https://issuu.com/adpropublications/docs/rev_press_01-04-17]. Being local or college newspaper media does not preclude a source from being independent, a more specific rationale needs to be provided for each of the available sources. --Habst (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

:: First one is "The Official Website of Georgia State University Athletics". I don't think this is even a "college newspaper", the website for an athletic program an athlete plays for is not independent. Second one is borderline. It's better, it's not literally the athletic program, but I would give it serious audience-size concerns. Third one is plainly a trivial mention. It's one paragraph in a list of 24 athletes. That's one borderline GNG source out of the three. A412 (Talk • C) 03:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

::: Never mind, I looked more deeply into the second source. That's ...not even a newspaper. That's the "News" section of the UToledo website. That's not a RS; there's no editorial policy, it's not independent of the university. A412 (Talk • C) 03:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

::::@A412, thank you for evaluating the sources because it's important to scrutinize our references. Can you please speak more to the Chester County Press source? It is a newspaper, presumably independent, and an entire section of the article with prose is devoted to the subject. If the mention was just one sentence, I would agree that it is trivial, but in this case it is an entire section. Also, even if not independent, the first two sources can still be used to add information to the article per policy. --Habst (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

:::::"Vanessa Robitson, the Avon Grove High School athletic director, led a presentation on 24 student-athletes who excelled in their respective sports-and in the classroom". This article goes on to list all twenty four of them. There's no editorial independence here. "an entire section of the article with prose is devoted to the subject" -- there's six sentences. It's not that local media can't contribute to notability, but even local media didn't think she was an important enough person to write more than a few sentences, let alone an entire article about. A412 (Talk • C) 18:47, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::And actually local media can't contribute to notability of young athletes! JoelleJay (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

::::::: FWIW, that's not exactly true, all NSPORT requires is that it {{tq|clearly goes beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage}}; which it states {{tq|excludes the majority of local coverage in both news sources and sports specific publications}}, but not all. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

:*Delete. Zero evidence of SIGCOV. The Chester County source has a blurb on the subject as it does on all the other 23 student athlete honorees for the fall season at Avon Grove HS. The blurbs were almost certainly only lightly adapted a submission by the school's athletic director, so likely not independent. Regardless, it's not SIGCOV and decidedly fails the requirement that coverage of HS athletes go way beyond local news reports. If this was all we needed to meet SPORTCRIT then all 24 of these high school athletes would merit articles (as would I!).

: JoelleJay (talk) 06:30, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of independent WP:SIGCOV. Of the sources provided in this discussion, the first 2 are not independent, as they originate from the school the subject attended, while the last one does not provide us with the significant coverage needed. None of the sources in the article itself are any better. User:Let'srun 14:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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