Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Hahn

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Fails WP:NHOCKEY by playing less than 200 games in the DEL. Article was mostly blanked in 2016 and previously had references regarding a criminal record and sparring with Mike Tyson but that, I'm certain, is a different Chris Hahn. Therefore, this Chris Hahn more than likely fails WP:GNG too. Tay87 (talk) 10:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC) Tay87 (talk) 10:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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• Delete. This is a completely unreferenced article about a person who plays in a hockey league that does not constitute an automatic WP:NHOCKEY pass — DEL is in the list of leagues where a person can get in the door if there's evidence of distinctions, but not in the list of leagues that guarantee an article the moment the person has skated onto the ice. Going back into the article history, there's never been any evidence of GNG-worthy reliable sourcing, either: all there's ever been for this Chris Hahn is college hockey statistics databases, and the news coverage that got added and then removed in 2016 was indeed for a different person who merely happened to have the same combination of first and last names. (Hockey player Chris Hahn, born in 1985; criminal Christopher Hahn, 45 years old in 2015. Admittedly my brain isn't so good at math sometimes, but two seconds with a calculator will tell you those facts don't suggest the same person.) And while some of the article's prior college-athlete content got blanked at the same time as the wrong-person criminal crap, none of it actually suggested a stronger basis for inclusion, or cited any notability-supporting sources, either — so this can't be fixed just by reverting back to an older version. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Delete. He isn't an ice hockey player, but he is a boxer. This article is completely unreferenced, but according to this [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/evander-holyfield-to-box-in-saskatoon-1.242790| CBC article] Chris Hahn was a local sakastoon boxer who has also boxed Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. Each of those boxers are notable, so boxing with them is a big deal. Clovermoss (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC) It's possible that there's an ice hockey Hahn, but I've never heard of him (there doesn't seem to be any online mentions of him, either) and these two people are both from the same general area. Rewriting the article to include information that is verifiable and from reliable sources about the boxer seems like the better option to me. Clovermoss (talk) 17:00, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

::Firstly, this article isn't wrong — it's just about a different person with the same name, which is not the same thing as being wrong. The ice hockey player verifiably does exist, he just isn't notable for existing. At any rate, there's no evidence that the boxer clears our notability standards for boxers either. If a boxer doesn't have any claim to passing WP:NBOX, then he doesn't magically clear WP:GNG just because a couple of pieces of purely local media coverage exist about him in his hometown media: a person has to compete in national or international boxing competitions to clear NBOX, not just fight a more famous person in a purely local exhibition match of no national or international significance. Bearcat (talk) 17:25, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

::: I'm not saying the article is wrong for covering the ice hockey player, although I wasn't exactly the best at communicating that. What I was trying to say is that even if there isn't a ice hockey Chris Hahn that's notable, there's a boxing Chris Hahn that is. But CBC is the only source I've found that covers it and that isn't enough. I looked at other sources that covered him and there's a lack of them. I was hoping that one paragraph in this [https://ocnarchives.usask.ca/04-jan-23/feature02.shtml| university news] might have led me to something, but it hasn't. In addition, taking a look at WP:NBOX, you're right, he isn't notable. Since this article is about the hockey player and not the boxer and neither are notable anyways, I'm going to change my keep to delete. Clovermoss (talk) 18:17, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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