Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Sligh (4th nomination)

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Delete. After Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexis Grace (2nd nomination) saw a “delete” outcome, I feel that the time has come to determine which of the American Idol contestants truly deserve their own articles. WP:NOTINHERITED tells us that just because somebody appeared on American Idol, it doesn’t make them notable and worthy of an article. This fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. A member of a now defunct Christian Rock band, which did not chart, failing WP:MUSIC. DJ 10:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• Delete: And if the tide is turning on these non-entity articles, thank God. Past Keep rationales have been on startling premises like "The Idol Wikiproject says all finalists are notable" or "Keep until they continue never to do anything notable," elements found nowhere in Wikipedia policy or guidelines. Almost to a man, they fail WP:MUSIC (I'd be perfectly happy to concede the point for any Idol contestant that is the subject of a half-hour or more of airtime, which would clear MUSIC#12, but that has yet to happen). As far as the Keep proponents in Sligh's earlier AfDs claiming he's notable because of his band, if and when the band becomes notable enough to have its own article, I'm sure he can claim a paragraph there.  Ravenswing  11:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Sligh has had a respectable post-Idol career, and meets the general notability criteria. [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20273823,00.html], [http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20178668,00.html?iid=top25-20080219-%27%27American+Idol%27%27+star+Chris+Sligh+inks+deal], [http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/418892.aspx], etc. Zagalejo^^^ 19:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

:Firstly, People magazine doesn't pass WP:RS. The majority of the results you've just shown me are about him and his capacity within American Idol. All reality TV contestants recieve news coverage, even those who stay on the programme for just a few days (see Kenneth Tong - [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8155230.stm][http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8165275.stm][http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/bigbrother/article-1201598/Big-Brother-housemate-Kenny-escapes-wall-tearful-night.html]). We need to use WP:COMMONSENSE in order to find the notable needles in this haystack that is American Idol on Wikipedia. DJ 19:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

::If you're not going to count People Magazine, there are plenty of other sources mentioning Sligh's role with the Rascal Flatts song: [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22chris+sligh%22+%22here+comes+goodbye%22&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&um=1&sa=N&start=0]. And I disagree with your second comment. All of those sources discuss work he did after Idol. Zagalejo^^^ 21:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

::By the way, he was also nominated for the Dove Award for best new artist: [http://www.doveawards.com/doveawards/nominees.php] Zagalejo^^^ 21:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• Keep, co-wrote Here Comes Goodbye, which went to number 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 Country chart. I sympathize with the nominator's distaste for AI, but it is important to remember that the rules of notability must be applied fairly. Abductive (talk) 21:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• Speedy close as a (unintentionally) disruptive nomination. The nominator rapid fire nominated 38 American Idol contestants all with the same (invalid) rationale that Alexis Grace (who finished 11th and hasn't had a chance to do anything post Idol yet) was deleted. It is quite clear that he/she made no attempt to research any of the nominations as several quite clearly meet multiple inclusion criteria. Some of these articles should be kept, and others merged, but none should be deleted. All arguably meet WP:MUSIC #9: "Has won or placed in a major music competition" by virtue of making the finals of American Idol and the less notable ones should at least be merged with their respective American Idol season X pages.

This sort of mass nomination is unproductive because it leads to people voting based on "I like it"/"I don't like it" since no one can reasonably be expected to properly research 38 articles of the same nature in a week. (Indeed this has already begun to happen.) Since the results of these AfDs are likely to be influenced by voting rather than a proper discussion, they should all be closed with no prejudice against reopening a few at a time after a good faith attempt to determine notability has been made. --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Jeni ^(talk) 00:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Speedy close per Wikipedia:WikiProject Idol series#Guidelines; the Alexis Grace deletion was improper per that guideline, and this one is even more so. --RBBrittain (talk) 01:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Crafty (talk) 02:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Speedy close per ThaddeusB. Moncrief (talk) 04:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Ravenswing. Despite the support of the Idol Wikiproject, subject fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. Lara 19:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• What about the GNG? Abductive (talk) 19:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Note to closing admin, the above vote is a copy and paste vote, pasted across a group of AfDs in such a short space of time that the user could not have adequately checked notability of the subject in question. Jeni ^(talk) 19:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• If the admins fail to notice that and the votestacking, we might as well resign from the human race. Abductive (talk) 19:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• This is going to be copy/pasted into all of them as well. The nominations should have been made as one AFD with the rest bulleted. That would have saved everyone time. The nominations themselves were good. Not all should be deleted, but they are all BLPs of questionable notability and are, thus, in great need of attention. I looked over every article, and not every one of my votes reads exactly the same and there was at least one keep vote from me. It wasn't time consuming to click to the article, see where they placed and then scroll down to see if they've done anything of note. For the sake of clarity, "placed in a major competition" should be clarified to detail where, exactly, as far as Idol goes. Placing in the top 12 is too broad. Top three or four is reasonable. But that is for another discussion. Lara 08:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - clearly fails notability according to the project standards. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Keep and Close against Ottava Rim and per WP:RS and WP:NOTE. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando (talk) 09:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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