Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Stone

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Gay porn performer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

• Keep Delete per WP:PORNSTAR. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 13:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep this is another example of PORNBIO being used overly literally to sweep notable porn stars off Wikipedia. The original intent of PORNBIO was to deal with apparently promotional articles being created for porn actors in minor roles in less than notable productions. In this example Chris Stone was a big star of the 1990s and a [http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=ChrStone/gender=m/Chris-Stone.htm search on IAFD] shows him credited with over 150 films. Finding reliable sources for gay pornography from the 90s is difficult and relies on reviews of magazines such as Manshots, for which archives or on-line versions are non-existent. As many of his leading film roles were for notable films such as Idol Eyes (GayVN award winner) I propose that interpreting the GNG by the criteria of WP:ENT#1 and WP:ARTIST#3 & #4(c), there is sufficient likely-hood of the article being improved to meet the GNG that it should be kept and marked for improvement in the normal way. PORNBIO does not over-ride every other guideline on notability. Ash (talk) 13:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• (Update) I have added a reference for him being named as winner of the 1992 GayVN award for Best Sex Scene in the film Scorcher, consequently he meets PORNBIO as well. Ash (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- Ash (talk) 13:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. -- Ash (talk) 13:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO. Sources provided are either trivial, unreliable or don't mention him. Epbr123 (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Could you point out which sources do not mention him so they can be checked? Ash (talk) 16:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

• Keep – Although disagree with ASH's comment that Porn actors are being sweep off Wikipedia. This actor meets WP:PORNBIO. The source is at [http://gayvnawards.avn.com/noms/pastwinners.html] year 1992. ttonyb (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per award satisfying PORNBIO. Morbidthoughts (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Comment from nominator - With the addition of the GayVN award, I'm satisfied that the performer meets WP:PORNBIO, not so sure about WP:GNG, but that often seems to be overlooked if the additional criteria are met. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Ash, WP:PORNBIO criteria look to be meet. RFerreira (talk) 23:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep: per Ash. - Ret.Prof (talk) 02:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
• Weak Keep If Ash is right about the media coverage then listing the issue number and article name/author etc. should be sufficient. Another source is archive.org. It's not necessary that all sources be in print or online, just that attribution is accurate. No doubt this article needs work, but that work isn't going to get done if the entry is deleted. --Stillwaterising (talk) 04:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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