Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circuit Breaker (Transformers)

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The result was delete. Lacking sufficient evidence of real-world notability. There was no discussion of a redirect, which is a common result for characters like this; if there is an appropriate target, I assume re-creation as a redirect would be OK. RL0919 (talk) 01:39, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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Non-notable fictional character TTN (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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Delete - absolutely no real world notability.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Keep - He may not have any real world notability however, he is a notable character in Transformers. Every Transformers fan knows who he is. Sonstephen0 (talk) 19:13, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Seriously? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
{{ping|Piotrus}} there's no way this was a serious comment. The character's a woman. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:GNG. A redirect from this title is not appropriate because of confusion with circuit breakers and transformers. If kept a rename to something like Circuit Breaker (fictional character) is necessary. --Pontificalibus 10:59, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Delete because Sonstephen0 comment made me almost fail off my chair. WP:ILIKEIT, really? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Comment - You can't tell from the current article, but this character might have some claim to notability due to a quirk in the original copyright. Details hatted below. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

The licensing deal between Hasbro and Marvel for the Transformers comics gave Hasbro the copyright/trademark/legal rights to every concept and character that debuted in the series, which showed the giant robots interacting with Marvel heroes like Spider-Man. Circuitbreaker was created for Transformers, but Marvel snuck her into an issue of Secret Wars first to retain copyright to her. She became a significant character in the Transformers comic, but when the license passed on to different publishers in later decades, the copyright status played havoc with attempts to reprint the old Marvel stories. See [http://www.grafwv.com/page/content.detail/id/506969/GONE--and-not-reprinted--Licensed-characters-leave-holes-in-Marvel-history.html?nav=5023 this], [https://books.google.com/books?id=OtgvDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA15&dq=%22circuit+breaker%22+transformers+copyright+secret+wars&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwisnIPuw9rkAhXIhOAKHVeQAgUQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=%22circuit%20breaker%22%20transformers%20copyright%20secret%20wars&f=false this], and [http://www.bwtf.com/interviews/bb204 this] for starters.Argento Surfer (talk) 14:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

{{Rto|Argento Surfer}} Good finds, as it finally shows some intersection with real worlds impact/significance, through they all mention this character in passing, just as one of the examples of the copyright issues in Marvel / Transformer licencing. I think NFICTION/GNG requires some in-depth coverage, and so far we don't have as much as a paragraph on her. I'll also note that the book you cite, while mentioning her name several times, is self-published (lulu.com). Still, that's a start, and again, thanks for finding those. Feel free to ping me if more sources appear and I'll be happy to reassess the situation. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:51, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I agree, what I have so far isn't sufficient. I'm looking through some print works I have, but if I can find coverage, it's going to be the minimum, not an abundance. This might be more worthy of mention at Transformers (comics), The Transformers (Marvel Comics), or maybe even a bulleted item at Licensed production, which currently focuses on vehicles and medicines. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:31, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Found [https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-184/3/ this one] too Argento Surfer (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Delete - The character is unnotable, and does not have sufficient coverage to pass the WP:GNG. The sources on the quirks of her copyright status are simply too brief to demonstrate any significant coverage. I would not be opposed to having the copyright issues be mentioned in the The Transformers (Marvel Comics) article, as suggested by Argento Surfer, though. Rorshacma (talk) 05:45, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Delete. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 15:21, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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