Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Commandments of the Church

:{{la|Commandments of the Church}} ([{{fullurl:Commandments of the Church|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Commandments of the Church}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

Text taken from http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Commandments_of_the_Church Catholic Encyclopedia (1913); doesn't make much sense as an article, as it stands?  Chzz  ►  08:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep - the nomination does not address the suitability of the topic for inclusion in Wikipedia, which is the point decided at AfD. "Commandments of the Church" is certainly a notable topic in relation to Catholicism, namely the requirements the Catholic Church makes and has made historically and explicitly of its believers. AfD shouldn't be used as a cleanup process, you know. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 09:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::response I couldn't find anything to support the idea that 'Commandments of the church' was a topic, ie a known phrase, a known set of rules, etc etc. I believe it's just a title from this old encyclopaedia, or a section heading from it. The commandments of the catholic church will be covered by the articles on that church. --  Chzz  ►  09:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:::So how hard did you try? A Google search on the exact phrase "Commandments of the church" gets me 37,000 hits, the first couple of pages of hits being enough, really. Twinkle users aren't absolved from knowing deletion policy, nor from trying this sort of basic check before dragging some article to AfD. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep -- A notable subject, but a poorly presented article. It says that today there are six or five, depending on which catachism is used. This suggests that the Catholic Encyclopaedia has a cross-reference (perhaps only implicitly) to catachisms. The article needs more headings and references and to be better structured, but that suggests improvement not deletion. At worst merge to something, not delete. I am a Protestant, and thus cannot satsifacotrily assist. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
• Keep The subject is clearly notable as a significant aspect of Catholicism, but the article needs a significant rewrite. It does not deserve to be deleted. Pastor Theo (talk) 03:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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