Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constance Money

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So this has superficially good sources but they turn out to be junk. Imused the internal search on google books and it turns out that source 2 Rutgers includes source 3 and that source 3 is, according to searching constance money, a pure name check and not about her. 4 is an interview and therefore not independent, in short we have 2 academic sources being claimed to justify this article but it turns out they have absolutely no substantive content about the subject. So a BLP without proper sourcing with overstated sources and otherwise just the usual porn ecosystem noise. I did save everyone the time by directing but was reverted so here we are. Recommend a redirect to the AVN HoF after this is deleted. Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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• Keep Very notable. Sources [https://411mania.com/movies/411mania-interviews-the-cast-crew-from-x-rated-the-greatest-adult-movies-of-all-time/] where she is featured in a Cinamax special,[https://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/best-classic-porn-vintage-porn-movies/] Uproxx talks about her and her role, a third source here [https://www.flavorwire.com/609479/was-radley-metzger-our-finest-erotic-filmmaker]. Super (talk) 22:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Star of one of the most famous and successful films of the "golden age" of porn. When I searched Google Books for "constance money misty beethoven", I found that many books discuss her, some briefly and others in greater depth. Here is [https://books.google.com/books?id=OzQdMS2ldIwC&pg=PA92&dq=%22Constance+Money%22+Misty+Beethoven&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj9ueqN3M30AhVmHjQIHYR9D_kQ6AF6BAgIEAM an example]. Cullen328 (talk) 22:57, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

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• Keep, is the nominator serious? One of that era's most famous actresses. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. I've removed the duplicate of Linda Williams's book chapter and expanded the article using sources already present in the page, notably The Rialto Report, and adding an article in Playboy by Toni Bentley and a book by Barry Forshaw, both not only to document the significance of the film in which she co-starred, The Opening of Misty Beethoven, but to supplement Rialto as sources for her birth name. We had a paragraph that included that name and some information about her but was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Constance_Money&diff=prev&oldid=330663774 removed as unreferenced in December 2009]—prior to any reliable sources other than Williams' book, which is only analyzing the plot of the film. I had some qualms about expanding the biographical content of the article, since she tried to distance herself from adult film, preferred to use another acting name, and has since left acting entirely, but I consider the lead role in a significant film, her subsequent Playboy coverage, and her adult film awards make her notable, her real name continues to be published in association with this alias, and she revealed it herself in Playboy in 1978. Accordingly I've sought to serve our readers by covering her biography. I have, however, reduced her birth date to the year since it has not been widely publicized and is sourced to one or more adult film databases. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:09, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

:*Caution: The Rialto Report is a self-published unreliable source. I also notice that you are citing Luke Ford's book. While he was active, Ford published gossip, leaving the fact checking to others. His blog was blacklisted and purged from Wikipedia. His book has multiple demonstrable factual errors, Nikki Charm being a prominent example. Luke Ford is a contributor of freely-licensed content, but not a trustworthy reference for facts. • Gene93k (talk) 11:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

::*The two part coverage in the Rialto Report shows evidence of reliability, such as it being based on careful analysis of many original documents. The Ford book may have errors as most books do, but it was published by Prometheus Books, a very reputable company. Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

• Keep - yes - a very notable actress in several notable films - including her starring role in "The Opening of Misty Beethoven", by pioneering director "Radley Metzger",{{cite news |last1=Metzger |first1=Juliette |last2=Feldman |first2=Caryl |last3=West |first3=Ashley |title=Press Release: Radley Metzger, pioneering filmmaker, dies at 88 |url=http://www.therialtoreport.com/2017/04/02/radley-metzger-2/ |date=April 2, 2017 |work=The Rialto Report |access-date=December 6, 2021 }} a film which attained a mainstream level in storyline and sets,{{cite news |last=Hopkins |first=Brent |title=Porn: The Valley's secret industry |url=http://www.dailynews.com/article/zz/20070603/NEWS/706039878 |date=June 3, 2007 |work=Los Angeles Daily News |access-date=December 6, 2021 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180723182117/https://www.dailynews.com/2007/06/03/porn-the-valleys-secret-industry/ |archive-date=July 23, 2018 }}{{cite web |last=Rohit |first=Nitesh |title=The Opening of Misty Beethoven |url=http://windsfromtheeast.blogspot.com/2008/06/opening-of-misty-beethoven.html |date=June 6, 2008 |work=WindsFromThe East |access-date=December 6, 2021 }}{{cite book|title=The Cult Film Reader, page 517 |last1=Mathijs|first1=Ernest|last2=Mendik|first2=Xavier |url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Cult_Film_Reader/dWX4AAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Mathijs,+Ernest%3B+Mendik,+Xavier+(2007).+The+Cult+Film+Reader.+Open+University+Press.+p.+517&printsec=frontcover |publisher=Open University Press|year=2007|isbn= 978-0335219230 |page=517 |accessdate=December 6, 2021 }} and considered, by award-winning author "Toni Bentley", the "crown jewel" of the "Golden Age of Porn" (1969–1984){{cite web|last=Bentley|first=Toni|author-link=Toni Bentley|title=The Legend of Henry Paris|url=http://www.playboy.com/articles/the-legend-of-henry-paris |date=June 2014 |work=Playboy |access-date=December 6, 2021|url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20180210220441/http://www.playboy.com/articles/the-legend-of-henry-paris |archive-date=February 10, 2018}}{{cite web|last=Bentley|first=Toni|author-link=Toni Bentley|title=The Legend of Henry Paris |url=http://www.tonibentley.com/pdfarticles/playboy/RadleyMetzger_AuteuroftheErotic_ToniBentley.pdf |date=June 2014|website=ToniBentley.com|access-date=December 6, 2021}} - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

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