Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cooperative Bank of Misamis Oriental

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The sole ref in the article is not enough to establish notability per WP:COMPANY. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 11:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

• Speedy close. WP:COMPANY states that "Editors coming across an article on such a company without such references are encouraged to search (or request that others search) prior to nominating for deletion, given the very high likelihood that a publicly traded company is actually notable according to the primary criterion." It appears this was not met, if that has been done, they a 2nd nomination may be pursued. –HTD 12:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
• But is it notable? I have yet to see a ref supporting that claim. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 10:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Have you looked for references, as stated in WP:COMPANY? –HTD 10:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• [https://www.google.com/search?q=Cooperative+Bank+of+Misamis+Oriental&oq=Cooperative+Bank+of+Misamis+Oriental&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i60j0l3.417j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Cooperative+Bank+of+Misamis+Oriental&safe=off&tbm=nws Seriously], [https://www.google.com/search?q=Cooperative+Bank+of+Misamis+Oriental&oq=Cooperative+Bank+of+Misamis+Oriental&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61j69i60j0l3.417j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Cooperative+Bank+of+Misamis+Oriental&safe=off&tbm=bks nothing]. (ps. I'd like to point out that WP:COMPANY is a guideline which "should be attempted to be followed, though it is best treated with common sense" and that editors are "encouraged" and not forced to search for references--which I did btw) Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 13:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Yeah. Google News has been crap lately. I found [http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cagayan-de-oro/misamis-oriental-coop-bank-mulls-expansion this] on plain old Google search. I realize you've prodded/AFDed twenty or more articles, but it seems you weren't encouraged enough to search at least one. Being merely a "guideline" doesn't mean you won't totally do it. –HTD 14:45, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Also, the Google Books search you gave up so easily? There are seven (certainly not nothing) results, and one says "For the housing loans subproject, the financial capability of Cooperative Bank of Misamis Oriental, Inc. (CBMOI), a representative CFI, was examined. CBMOI is among the top ten best performing cooperative banks in the country." That's notability for you. –HTD 14:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Which of these sources actually discuss the subject with in-depth coverage? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• If you actually read the first link I supplied, the entire Sunstar article is about the bank per se. As for the book source, it's inconclusive since it's only accessible via snippet view. However, the brief passage that we got clearly demonstrates notability. –HTD 08:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
• So that is the only link? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 01:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
• TBH, I dunno. The book source looks important enough but I can't see all of it. –HTD 11:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
• Close/Keep AFD isn't used as a clean up, Also per HTD. -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 18:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
• This doesn't have anything to do with cleanup. It has to do with notability. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 10:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• It certainly doesn't look like it, since you've virtually affirmed in a number of AfDs that it is about cleanup rather than about notability. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Really? Where have I "virtually affirmed" this being about cleanup rather than notability? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep - User:Raykyogrou0 why did you not check Google Books before filing this AFD? A simple search would have found an ADB report 2003 saying "For the housing loans subproject, the financial capability of Cooperative Bank of Misamis Oriental, Inc. (CBMOI), a representative CFI, was examined. CBMOI is among the top ten best performing cooperative banks in the country, with liquidity, profitability, asset quality, and capital adequacy ratios consistently above the industry average. " - why didn't you search Google Books and Google News before submitting these AFDs? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Why did you not provide any sources before deprodding? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 10:14, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Why did you not choose to be bold and actually find those sources and edit them into the article, instead of taking the easy way out by nominating articles wholesale for deletion, and being so self-righteous as to criticize other editors for not doing the work that you're also capable of doing? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 12:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Because it was not deemed notable? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 13:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Again, what's your standard? You being accused of not even bothering to do due diligence and diligently search for sources in a number of other Philippine bank-related AfDs (with others having to do it for you instead of you doing it yourself) shows that you're jumping to conclusions and passing judgement blindly with what appears to be reckless abandon. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:37, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
• Again, what makes you think I didn't perform simple searches? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• You really think you're just supposed to do the minimum that's asked of you? If you think you can get away with doing just the bare minimum, I have no confidence in you having the competence to determine whether a topic is notable or not. And if that's how you think AfD is supposed to work, then I guess {{u|In ictu oculi}} was right when he/she said in the Banco Filipino nomination that you should seriously take a break from AfD-ing until you actually know what you're doing. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 11:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• That's allright, I don't have any confidence in you knowing what you're doing either. (I don't need your confidence, thanks) Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 15:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• For the record, not all cooperative banks -- this one being one of them -- are notable. Among the types of banks in the Philippines, only the "universal" and "commercial" banks are almost certainly notable, "almost certainly" because WP:COMPANY doesn't give inherent notability. However, this looks like to be a clear winner amongst cooperative banks, as per the one of the Google Books sources the nominator didn't spot -- and there are only seven of them. I'd still stand by the speedy keep without prejudice to relisting again in the future as the nominator clearly didn't make an effort in searching (either by himself or by asking others) for sources WP:BEFORE starting the AFD. Once the nominator actually does something of that sort, and still nothing comes up, then can the AFD continue. –HTD 16:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

• Comment. The comments saying "Speedy keep" or "close" are not actual speedy keep criterion. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 09:36, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
• Doesn't matter now anyway since it's been three days after the nomination, any closure won't be "speedy" enough. –HTD 08:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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