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The article on Cora Systems lacks sufficient independent, reliable secondary sources to establish notability as per Wikipedia's guidelines Loewstisch (talk) 09:38, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Loewstisch (talk) 09:38, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:52, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:52, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. There is no indication that this <200-person software company meets WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. The sources in the article (and those that I can find outside it) are either ROTM "press release republished in local or specialist news outlets" (of a type to be expected for any company of its type), are trivial passing mentions (like random "name drops" in an Oireachtas debate or Limerick County Council report), or (in some cases) do not mention the subject org at all. The clear WP:PAID / WP:COI / WP:PROMO overtones, in the article's creation and its tone/intent, are also very very difficult to overlook. Guliolopez (talk) 10:20, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: No sources discussing the subject in depth (WP:SIGCOV). COI and Promotional in tone as said by Guliolopez. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:48, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I apologize for mistakes I made in writing the article and hope to improve. In the spirit of the project's WP:PRESERVE policy, I've made edits to the article to address concerns and am very open to further improvements. I believe there are enough reliable sources and significant coverage but will stick to WP:THREE for this comment. I'm also adding The Irish Times articles to the refs.

:::1) [https://www.independent.ie/business/small-business/a-global-focus-in-lovely-leitrim/36762563.html Irish Independent]: The article is entirely about the company (not a trivial passing mention) and written by a journalist at Irish Independent (secondary source).

:::2) [https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0524/1300770-leitrim-based-cora-systems-to-create-300-new-jobs/ RTE]: The article is entirely about the company and is written by a journalist at RTE, a public service broadcaster.

:::3) [https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/cora-systems-investment-scottish-equity-partners-ireland Silicon Republic]: The article is entirely about the company and written by a journalist at Silicon Republic. Arcticwindowpane (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

• Additional comment:

:::*Re: Guliolopez's objection: "Where does either linked source say anything about the org being "among a small number of technology firms based outside Ireland’s major urban centers"? Or anything like it? The siliconrepublic.com source makes no mention of the subject org."

:::::The reason I added that [https://www.siliconrepublic.com/start-ups/regions-ireland-tech Silicon Republic source] is because it lists the locations where most tech companies in Ireland are located. Cora Systems is not in one of those locations. Ergo, it is one of a small number of tech firms outside major urban centers.

:::*Re: the quote from Neale Richmond, here it is in full:

::::"Over the past number of years, Ireland has become a global digital technology hub – and pioneering Irish innovators like Cora Systems have played a pivotal and transformative role in the sector. Global leaders are increasingly turning to Irish-owned enterprises for solutions, as their innovative offerings, talent, and cutting-edge services are trusted around the world.

::::As a result, we have seen the development of innovative, talented, and disruptive Irish-owned digital technology companies and Cora Systems exemplifies this. Today’s opening is a great boost not just for Dublin but also for the North-West region where their HQ is based, connecting both to the global stage. The expansion paves the way for Cora Systems to grow its highly innovative business and to significantly scale its activities. I wish Philip and team all the best for what is sure to be a very exciting future.”

:::::I believe this sentence is supported by that quote: "At the opening of its Dublin office, then-Minister of State for Business, Employment and Retail Neale Richmond recognized the company's "transformative role" in the Irish digital technology sector." 20:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)Arcticwindowpane (talk)

{{deindent}} Hi. In terms of the sources you mention, they are interviews and republished press releases. Which are not considered independent for the purposes of WP:SIRS. Specifically:

• Independent.ie ([https://www.independent.ie/business/small-business/a-global-focus-in-lovely-leitrim/36762563.html 1 Apr 2018]). That piece is written by Seán Gallagher. A businessperson. Not a "{{tq|journalist at Irish Independent}}". As part of a series in which he "[met] owners of small and medium sized businesses" (in which the company interviewee describes a 57-person business with €5.5m turnover - similar to innumerable SMEs worldwide). As it is an interview, it doesn't materially contribute to notability.
• RTE.ie ([https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0524/1300770-leitrim-based-cora-systems-to-create-300-new-jobs/ 24 May 2022]). That is a republished press release. Similar to any business report published every day. The original [https://corasystems.com/news/cora-systems-to-create-over-300-new-jobs/ company press release (22 May 2022) is here]. The RTE piece is not independent reporting.
• Silicon Republic ([https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/cora-systems-investment-scottish-equity-partners-ireland 19 Jun 2023]). That is a republished press release. The original [https://corasystems.com/news/media-release-cora-systems-growth-equity-scottish-equity-partners/ company press release (also dated to 19 June 2023) is here]. It is not independent reporting.

In terms of the FV/SYNTH/OR concerns, those should be dealt with in the article or article talk. Not here. (SYNTH/OR/FV issues are WP:SURMOUNTABLE issues and not relevant to AfD discussions.) Guliolopez (talk) 20:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Headcount and "orphan article" status don't matter for notability under Wikipedia's guidelines - what counts is significant, independent coverage from reliable sources, which we definitely have here. The Irish Independent, RTE, and Silicon Republic aren't press releases - they're actual articles with bylines. And The Irish Times - Ireland's newspaper of record - covered the company too. The company is clearly notable based on this national media attention from various independent sources who've taken the time to report on what they're doing. XwycP3 (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
• :* Comment. Hi. RE: "{{tq|'orphan article' status don't matter for notability under Wikipedia's guidelines}}". I may have missed it, but I didn't see any arguments based on "orphan" status. RE: "{{tq|Headcount [..] don't matter for notability}}". As the nominator doesn't mention headcount, I can but assume this is a response to a comment of mine. To confirm, I mention the org's headcount (<200 people) as a point of comparison. Orgs under 250 people are classed as SMEs. Of which there are over 200,000 in Ireland. Representing, [https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-biidr/businessinireland2021detailedresults/smallandmediumenterprises/ per the CSO], "99.8% of all enterprises". This SME has been the subject of the same coverage (funding rounds/jobs announcements/software launch events/other press releases covered in business pages) as we would expect for any other similarly sized company. I mentioned headcount for this relative comparison. Not as an absolute or standalone rationale. RE: "{{tq|The Irish Times [..] covered the company too}}". All the Irish Times references in the article fail a WP:SIRS test. The [https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/irish-software-developer-cora-systems-to-create-300-new-jobs-1.4886851 "300 jobs" piece (May 2022)] is based on this [https://corasystems.com/news/cora-systems-to-create-over-300-new-jobs/ "300 jobs" press release (May 2022)]. The [https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/cora-systems-projects-huge-revenue-growth-based-on-revolutionary-software-1.3631218 "'revolutionary' software" piece (Sep 2018)], including the quotes ([https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/irish-firm-in-global-partnership-with-pwc-with-game-changing-project-management-solution/37336910.html repeated in similar reporting]) about the software being "'game-changing' adaptable software" and how it "revolutionises transparency", come from the org's own PR. Seemingly its promotional launch event of Sep 2018. This coverage is therefore based on interviews/press-releases/statements from those associated with the company. And not, as expected by WP:SIRS, "{{tq|completely independent of the article subject}}". Guliolopez (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
• Delete I agree with Guliolopez, none of the references meet NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:21, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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