Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craftsmen Industries

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. after multiple relistings, there is no consensus. I have an opinion, but I do not want to close in accord with it DGG ( talk ) 22:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

=[[Craftsmen Industries]]=

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No notability, no references, pure self-promotion Drow69 (talk) 16:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

: Had a look, found nothing notable - so its a Delete for me. ---- _nonsense ferret 16:33, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep Google News shows plenty of solid references available, many behind paywalls. They verify this is an established firm that has made over 1000 large customized vehicles for major corporate clients, Weinermobile, Giant Peanut, largest mobile LED video display, human powered buses for the GOP and Dem conventions last year. The company is notable, and the article should be improved not deleted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:33, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

:: did you see any particular references that looked significant? The ones such as I could find tended to be quite localised coverage or was very much in the line of a press release type which isn't really independent ---- _nonsense ferret 20:07, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Nonsense ferret, admittedly, many of the articles are from the St. Louis area, but I dont think that's disqualifying,as there are several from other cities. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SL&p_theme=sl&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0FA86BC023BF35F1&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] is an overall profile of the company published on the occasion of the founder being named "Missouri small-business person of the year". [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SL&p_theme=sl&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB051C86C615256&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] describes construction of a 127,200 square foot building for the company. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SL&p_theme=sl&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB04D3BCD1DFAF6&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] article talks about the unusual vehicles they build to promote products like Bud Lite and Nestea. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=SBRB&d_place=SBRB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=101650A2F4092391&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] is an article about the company's expansion plans. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SL&p_theme=sl&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB05043CB49B692&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] article descibes their restoration of 26 classic Checker Cabs for Surge soft drink sweepstakes prizes. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=SBRB&d_place=SBRB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1179042B8C38EFD0&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] describes acquisition of majority control of the company by outside investors. [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/34401409.html?dids=34401409:34401409&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+20%2C+1998&author=Thomas+W.+Barton.+Special+to+the+Tribune.&pub=Chicago+Tribune&desc=HOT+DOG!+IT'S+THE+FUN+HOUSE&pqatl=google This] is an article from the Chicago Tribune about the "Fun House" vehicle they built for Hormel. [http://ledsmagazine.com/news/5/7/25 This] trade publication article describes how they built the vehicle carrying a 19 X 33 foot LED video screen, the world's largest mobile display. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=VP&p_theme=vp&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F699D74341144A2&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] article from the Virginian-Pilot describes a giant peanut vehicle they built. [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=AT&p_theme=at&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EC248B26EBE7FD6&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM This] article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution also describes the peanut vehicle they built for the National Peanut Board. [http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/333203/3/Local-company-rolls-product-into-RNC-and-DNC This] TV news report from KSDK-TV describes the company's products, including the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile, a Crest toothpaste tube vehicle, and human powered buses sponsored by Humana and used at the Democratic and Republican conventions in 2012. I don't doubt that much of this coverage may have been inspired by press releases issued by the company, but from what I can see, there is lots of independent reporting in the stories as well. I think this coverage is sufficient to show notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:23, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the links - I've had a look - I agree they are very interesting local interest news stories, I have a really hard job ascribing 'encyclopedic' though - I do think on reflection in these days of multiple 24 news channels, that there is a lot reported which just isn't significant - for me, this is probably one of those examples. ---- _nonsense ferret 16:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I would submit that "encyclopedic", in the context of Wikipedia with over 4.1 million English language articles and no practical limits on future growth, is a topic such as this which has received significant coverage in many reliable, independent sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

delete Our text really sounds as if it had been taken from the corporate website. Unfortunately I can't check this because the corporate URL redirects to a dead website, suggesting that they are no longer in business. Mangoe (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

:*Reply They are not out of business. It seems they lost control of their domain name briefly, but their website is up and running again. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 21:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment I have removed the "History" section, it was a reworded copy of a section of [http://www.stlcommercemagazine.com/archives/june2003/business.html this article] from 2003. Guest9999 (talk) 20:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LlamaAl (talk) 00:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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