Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daisey Bailey

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No evidence of the type of sustained coverage that would meet the guidelines at WP:N; most of what is here and findable online is routine coverage, primarily a handful of similar obituaries and the odd local mention of her extreme age, but nothing to establish notability. There's no Wikipedia policy or consensus that states that the oldest anything is automatically notable by the encyclopedia's standards; numerous AfDs on the "oldest" individuals have been kept or deleted based on their individual merits. Thus we default to the general notability guidelines and any material of encyclopedic merit can be included on the many longevity-related lists on Wikipedia. Canadian Paul 20:30, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

• KEEP , Daisy Bailey was an important Supercentenarian and one of the oldest people ever born in 1896, having her article is warranted. /Chimney148 — Chimney148 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Comment Is she was one of the oldest people ever born in 1896? In fact, Daisey Bailey was only 9th (or 10th) oldest known person ever who was born in 1896, behind Besse Cooper, Chiyono Hasegawa, Maria Gomes Valentim, Venere Pizzinato, Walter Breuning, Eugenie Blanchard, Eunice Sanborn, Florrie Baldwin. (and unverified case, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ida_Stewart&oldid=629702635 Ida Stewart].)Inception2010 (talk) 18:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom. Routine coverage. Three dead links to obituaries that look like they only repeat the basics (born, lived, had kids, died) doesn't make someone notable. Redirect to relevant list is fine also. CommanderLinx (talk) 23:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

• Weak Delete WEAK delete. I don't know that she have enough notable for created the page. There is also a method of marge to List of supercentenarians from the United States#People. (Just as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arbella Ewing, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shelby Harris.) Inception2010 (talk) 18:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
• Delete - Notability is not established by old age nor how long a thing has existed.--Rpclod (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
• Could you clarify what you mean, Rpclod? If I look at coverage regarding our current world's oldest person, I notice that in the last couple of months she was featured in many newspaper articles on a regular basis, and in more countries than just her native one. Moreover, reasons to feature her were myriad - just to mention a few: Mayhttp://www.blitzquotidiano.it/blitztv/emma-morano-116-anni-ci-si-arriva-single-e-con-uova-crude-2461083/, Junehttp://nepszava.hu/cikk/1098330-a-titok-a-ket-nyers-tojas, Julyhttp://sz-magazin.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/44814/, and Octoberhttps://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33044154/emma-morano-worlds-oldest-person-and-egg-fanatic/. On top of that, googling her 117th birthday provides me with birthday articles from the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, the United States, Ireland, Germany, Norway, France, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Romania, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Sweden... and that is just the first two pages of search resultshttps://www.google.nl/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1ASUC_enNL572NL572&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=emma+morano&tbm=nws! In other words, how does "old age alone" NOT establish notability when in some cases - note the word 'some' - it clearly does? Surely, there must be some sort of undefined appeal in our world's oldest people that attracts interest from the general public and the media, be it our world's oldest secrets to a long life, or our own sheer disbelief at their age. Notice how Guinness, for instance, does consider the world's oldest person to be a recordholder (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/oldest-person and http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2016/5/guinness-world-records-announces-emma-martina-luigia-morano-as-worlds-oldest-liv-428983), thus showing there must be something notable about age. Fiskje88 (talk) 19:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

:::Do you realize the references you list discuss someone other than the subject of this particular article?--Rpclod (talk) 00:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

::::I do, but your comment is a general comment ("notability is not established by old age") and thus does not restrict itself / refer solely to Mrs Bailey. Therefore, I still wonder if you could elaborate on your comment. Thank you. :) Fiskje88 (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

::::Nothing suggests that WP:ANYBIO criteria are met and hence no notability exists.--Rpclod (talk) 14:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

:::::I reckon you are now talking about Mrs Bailey? Fiskje88 (talk) 16:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Redirect or Merge with List of supercentenarians from the United States. Although Mrs Bailey's media coverage was mainly restricted to when she was alive and she has therefore seemingly disappeared from our collective memory (for some reason, recentism seems popular on Wikipedia), I do feel that she deserves a special mention in the list of American supercentenarians, seeing that she is still well within the top 100 oldest people of that country. Fiskje88 (talk) 19:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
• Delete or merge. Classic WP:NOPAGE -- the usual "She credited her longevity to always praying, loving, forgiving, and eating vegetables". EEng 04:37, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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:What is the purpose of this list if the references relate to someone other than the subject of the AfD?--Rpclod (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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