Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Lavery

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 15:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

=[[David Lavery]]=

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Delete. Non notable person. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Delete: not notable.Babakathy (talk) 07:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:04, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

keep Should I have been notified of this nomination? I don't understand this nomination - people say "non notable", but if you click on the "books" and "scholar" links supplied with the nomination, there are so many things listed that I only had time to include a few of them in the article. Lavery is a well known writer, academic, and editor of analysis of popular culture. PermanentVacay (talk) 06:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

:Comment: I get 5 books and 8 journal articles from scholar but I am not sure all are academic outputs. Per WP:ACADEMIC I am not sure this is enough for criterion 1. Cannot see evidence other criteria apply? Am I wrong? Babakathy (talk) 07:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

:*Did you look at his CV here [http://davidlavery.net/CV/Lavery_Curriculum_Vitae.pdf]? There is an awards section at the bottom. It also lists that he has chaired several departments. Between these and all others, I believe he fits many points under WP:ACADEMIC. PermanentVacay (talk) 08:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::*Apart from his CV (which is not an independent source), I see no evidence that he has chaired a department, which does not meet any of the requirements of WP:PROF anyway. The list of awards is long, but contains trivial things (being an external reviewer is nothing out of the ordinary), minor awards (a small travel grant to go to Heidelberg...), and nominations (but apparently not won). --Guillaume2303 (talk) 09:03, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

:::*I found a newsletter from Brunel that mentioned him as the chair of their department. I guess they don't keep historic chairs on their website. I just googled burnel.co.uk and david lavery, fyi - it was on the first page... PermanentVacay (talk) 09:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::::*Then you should use that as a source, not his CV, which should not be used as a reference at all. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 10:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

:*Comment Whether a scholar has published a few or a lot of papers/books has absolutely no bearing on notability. What is important is whether those writings have had any impact, which we generally measure here by numbers of citations. As I have no time to look into this in detail right now, I'm abstaining from !voting, but I would like to note that the article currently has no evidence whatsoever of notability. All references are to works of Lavery, except reference 3, which is inappropriate (has nothing to do with Lavery) and reference 4, which is actually the only reference showing somebody has actually read his works. If it is to show notability, the article needs a lot of work. I just used Reflinks to format the references, but would like to note that links to GBooks are not really ideal. Oh, and yes, PermanentVacay, it would have been good form that you as article creator be notified of this AfD. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 07:43, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::*Thanks for the information. Unfortunately this AfD is almost half over and I only just found out about it, and I don't know if I'll have time to add anything to the article by then. Hopefully someone more familiar with him than me will do so (I like to create articles for people that I'm doing research on who don't yet have them - this means I don't necessarily yet know all that much). PermanentVacay (talk) 08:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::::*Thanks for the link to the CV, very helpful. Going through the criteria:

:::::The criterion on awards (number 2) requires a national award or higher and that it should be "highly prestigious". Most of the awards are institutional rather than national or better, and some of them are publishing rather than academic awards. That leaves things like "Mr. Pointy Award for Buffy Studies Scholarship" which I doubt we could call a highly prestigious academic award.

:::::Nothing in the CV for criteria 3, 4, 5, 6 or 8. (Chairing a dept is not enough for 6. 8 requires head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal: he has 3 where he is an editor of a journal rather than an issue, but 2 are very recent so not "well-established". That leaves Critical Studies in Television, where he is one of six editors (not head or chief). So I do not think so.)

:::::Criterion 1 needs an analysis of citations.

:::::Criterion 7 might work - how widely popular are his general audience books? His CV cites interviews - is he frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert? There are quite a few google news hits that are interviewing him.Babakathy (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::*Yes, criterion 7 seems like a good easy way to show notability. I'm not sure how to incorporate that into the article though. PermanentVacay (talk) 09:23, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::I suggest you do some work on Google News to provide (many) references to a statement such as his work in television studies has led to him being widely recognised as an expert on genres such as XX YY ZZ. I think you'd be able to pick up quite alot. Babakathy (talk) 09:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Keep (changed my mind): I believe this academic meets sub-criterio 7. Babakathy (talk) 09:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 02:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 02:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep - I'm satisfied that WP:ACADEMIC/7 is met. The nomination is too vague for me to judge if the nominator's concerns have been resolved but the article has certainly been improved. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 05:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Keep clearly a notable author at least, and probably meets WP:PROF as well as an expert on several related genres of television. Worldcat shows that 15 of his books are each in over one hundred libraries; his book on X files is in 513. [http://www.worldcat.org/wcidentities/lccn-n82-232930] Reviews need to be looked or, but the probability of finding them with such widespread library holdings is very high. DGG ( talk ) 09:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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