Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Defeminization and masculinization

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Uncited since 2007 - with political hot topics in the USA it is important for Wikipedia to have verifiable info on sex and gender Chidgk1 (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect to Virilization#Prenatal virilization while saving the text on that article's talk page, per Prototyperspective. Merge into Sexual differentiation. I'm not a biologist, so very much an outsider's perspective, but there is quite a bit of published research available on this. I'm not sure if there's a case for having a third article in addition to defeminization and virilization (masculinization). The topic is certainly notable, but the information across these three articles might be better reorganized into 1 or 2 articles. As it stands, I would probably favor merging the article into virilization#Prenatal virilization or sexual differentiation. Would be good to have someone weigh in with a knowledge of developmental biology, though. Edit: after looking at other commenters' suggestions, I agree merging Defeminization and masculinization and defeminization into virilization would make sense in the long term. The virilization page is about a lot more than just prenatal virilization, but that's okay, and if that section ends up becoming to long we can split it out. I also agree that because none of the information currently in this article is cited, it shouldn't be directly copied into virilization, but rather onto that article's talk page, from where it can be worked in as appropriate.--Tserton (talk) 12:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

::If the result ends up being "keep", I would volunteer to clean up this article and cite it properly. Will wait for the outcome before I do so, though. --Tserton (talk) 12:16, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

:::Thank you whichever way it goes Chidgk1 (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Biology and Medicine. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liamyangll (talk to me!) 04:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I think there probably should be one article containing info currently dispersed across or missing in defeminization, virilization and Defeminization and masculinization (agree with Tserton) with a Further-wikilink to it in Sexual differentiation. However, since this article is uncited it's not really useful for merging – instead copy it to the Talk page of whatever becomes the comprehensive article on this (possibly in a collapsed template so it doesn't hide other Talk page contents). Prototyperspective (talk) 09:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

::Sounds good - I would be happy to copy this to a talk page. Which article talk page please? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• On the very rare occasions when there is a sensible discussion at AFD I think the best thing to do is to close it before the slam-bam keep/delete idiots turn up. In this case a note on Talk:Defeminization and masculinization linking here and suggesting that, if there is a merge, a redirect should be left at Defeminization and masculinization. Thincat (talk) 13:16, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect as above, there's no need for two articles here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect as above, agree there's no need for two articles here.Rick Jelliffe (talk) 01:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect since they are essentially discussing the same biological process. (but without any citations, nothing should be transferred to the other article)Cinadon36 19:03, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
• :Agreed; I think Prototyperspective's suggestion of copying it onto one of the other articles' talk page is a good one. From there we can work out what's sourceable and what isn't. Tserton (talk) 19:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
• ::Yes, that is reasonable. Cinadon36 21:40, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect given identical biological process, but avoid merge given the material is uncited (but agree with Prototyperspective's suggestion of copying on the target TP). Aszx5000 (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Several articles are mentioned in this discussion. What is the sole redirect/merge target that this article should point to? Once that is clear, this discussion can be closed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:* We've been talking about the merge target article Virilization. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

::: Agreed, the redirect is to Virilization#Prenatal virilization (to be exact). {{reply to|Liz}}, maybe you could close this now as a Redirect to that target (and others will paste the unreferenced content to the TP as also agreed). thank you. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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