Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diabos Vermelhos

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Discussions about redirecting or merging can continue on the article's talkpage. J04n(talk page) 00:29, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

=[[Diabos Vermelhos]]=

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No indication the topic meets notability requirements, no evidence of coverage in reliable independent sources. C 679 11:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. C 679 12:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment Not true, it's a supporters group that dates back to 1980's and supports benfica in numerous matches, including in amauter sports like futsal, handball and roller hockey. When there is derby, police creates special corridors so can supporters group's like diabos vermelhos pass thru rival group's and to the stadium. There not registed in CNID so they legally they cannot be supported by Benfica, so no Banners relating to DV inside Estádio da Luz. See recent news about them from 1 year ago. [http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Nacional/1a_liga/Benfica/interior.aspx?content_id=737675], [http://www.maisfutebol.iol.pt/desporto/feirense-benfica-adeptos-liga-bilhetes/1321034-4062.html], [http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/sport/benfica/diabos-vermelhos-protestam-contra-preco-de-bilhetes] Please inform yourself, do you go and nominate all of Ultras groups for deletion? While you're at it, don't forget MLS supporters groups like Midnight Riders (MLS supporters association).--Threeohsix (talk) 12:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Clearly Cloudz679 doesn't what he's doing. BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 13:02, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

:Please retract your comment, per WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Giant Snowman 10:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - existence of other articles has no bearing on the existence of this one. That line won't work. Peridon (talk) 17:39, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment I already added reliable sources, more can be added when I have time, especially about it's legal status. More opinions would be nice. An article with about benfica supporters, including it's supporters groups would be better, but since no one would do it, it's better to just retain this one. --Threeohsix (talk) 23:10, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Redirect to S.L. Benfica - no evidence of independent notability. Giant Snowman 10:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment Shouldn't No Name Boys, another supporters group be deleted too? Shouldn't also the portuguese articles be deleted too? --Threeohsix (talk) 11:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

:*WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - if you feel that other (related) topics do not merit articles then feel free to nominate them seperately. Giant Snowman 11:23, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment Why would why nominate an article I created, if I disagree with this one being deleted. I am just asking because they are not very different article, the relate to the same, an so does the portuguese wikipedia articles. I was hoping that a new article about benfica supporters would be created, using most of the diabos vermelhos article as evidence of the supporters group. I know that's not going to happen because there are very few editors who can create such an article, and even fewer who bother. --Threeohsix (talk) 11:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

:*If you believe that S.L. Benfica supporters is a notable topic, and has received significant coverage, then feel free to create it - I would then probably support merging all relevant articles on supporter's groups into that. Giant Snowman 12:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment I won't create it, I just edit now. I was suggesting someone can create it, and using this article, plus No Name Boys article as a sub title maybe "Organized Supporters Groups". --Threeohsix (talk) 12:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

If other teams' supporters have articles about them as Mr.Threeohsix suggested (the Midnight Riders example), then why is this particular one not allowed to wiki-exist? Just asking so that i know about the dos and don'ts around the subject.

Attentively - --AL (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 03:49, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

:Keep per WP:GNG and WP:SPLIT. Supporters groups of major clubs are regularly noted by news outlets, this one isn't a exception. Diego (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Weak keep - Even though I agree with Diego Moya, I don't think all the supporters groups should have stand-alone articles, and I would support a merge into S.L. Benfica supporters if such an article existed. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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