Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamond Boy (DTM)

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Fails WP:NSONG; only WP:SIGCOV of the song (not the album) is the HNHH review. Should be redirected to its album. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

• Keep a more thorough review of the sources should have been done before making this nomination. [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/sza-sos-deluxe-grammys-drake-snooze-video-1234830913/ This Rolling Stone] source talks about the song's making in great depth, and other sources cited in the article ([https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/sza-compares-deluxe-album-lana-lil-uzi-vert-vs-the-world-2-1234797991/ Vibe], [https://www.bet.com/article/gza96g/sza-lana-deluxe-lil-uzi-vert-luv-vs-the-world-2 BET]) have covered the information as well. The song appeared at the outro of a music video; this fact was also covered in a lot of sources ([https://americansongwriter.com/justin-bieber-appears-in-szas-new-snooze-music-video/ American Songwriter], [https://www.nme.com/news/music/sza-teases-unreleased-song-in-snooze-music-video-preview-3482076 NME], [https://people.com/sza-releases-snooze-music-video-starring-justin-bieber-7852967 People], etc.). When the song was performed while it was still unreleased, it gained some coverage as well ([https://www.nme.com/news/music/watch-sza-perform-unreleased-song-dtm-for-apple-live-3581854 NME], [https://hiphopdx.com/news/sza-unreleased-track HipHopDX]). When you have half a dozen sources covering a track from the moment it was created up until its release, and there is enough information for an article, I see no reason to redirect said article. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 19:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
• :None of these post-release sources you link to are coverage of the song in question—they all discuss the song in context of coverage of the album. (Very trivial) pre-release coverage without a reliable source linking it to the published song is irrelevant to demonstrating notability. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 21:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::This is a very flawed interpretation of SIGCOV. The definition of SIGCOV is "{{tq|more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.}}" This is coming from the page WP:N, which just so happens to also say that a topic is presumed to merit an article if (1) "{{tq|it meets either the [GNG] or [SNG]}}". Note the "or" in that sentence. SNG does not supersede GNG, and I am more than confident this article meets the latter. Anyways, I do acknowledge most of the sources I mention in this AfD don't have the song as the "main topic" nor have it as part of the title (which I very much am aware is what tends to be analyzed --- i.e. Ctrl+F'd --- first in these song AfDs). But let's extract a sample of sources from the article to look at what has been said about the subject:
• ::* In [https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/sza-compares-deluxe-album-lana-lil-uzi-vert-vs-the-world-2-1234797991/ Vibe], {{small|"{{tq|When speaking about 'DTM,' which fans are calling 'Diamond Boy,' SZA told Rolling Stone that it's 'the first love song she can recall writing about someone she actively likes, right in the thick of the romance.'}}"}}
• ::* In [https://www.bet.com/article/gza96g/sza-lana-deluxe-lil-uzi-vert-luv-vs-the-world-2 BET], {{small|"{{tq|Originally, Lana was set to arrive this fall, but it was pushed back since the lead single, 'DTM,' has yet to be released. SZA believes the song is her first attempt at writing about someone she actively likes. It also has the 'cadence of a rap freestyle, sporadic and bouncy, sung sweetly, with levity,' according to Rolling Stone. 'DTM' evolved from just bass, guitar and vocals to a track that's much more fleshed out with instrumentals and a call-and-response element.}}"}}
• ::* In [https://www.nme.com/news/music/watch-sza-perform-unreleased-song-dtm-for-apple-live-3581854 NME], {{small|"{{tq|In her tradition of teasing songs at the end of music videos, SZA dropped her 'Snooze' video in August, and previewed a snippet of an unreleased song. The track is due to be released on her upcoming SOS deluxe album entitled LANA. Though SZA revealed its name to be 'DTM' in a Rolling Stone profile, fans have dubbed the track 'Diamond Boy' due to its lyrics: 'Diamond boy, why you so shiny? / Diamond boy, come get behind me / Diamond boy, your light so blindin'}}"}}
• ::None of these sources have the song as the main topic, but I'd have a hard time believing these do not constitute significant coverage. If we want to take this argument further, the Billboard ranking isn't even technically an "album review"; none of the commentary is about subjectively assessing the quality of the album based on things like production, lyrics, and themes. The entire page is literally a laundry list of SIGCOV for every song discussed there. I could go on and on; there is enough material here cited to secondary RS such that not everything about the subject can be covered in the album. But I will leave my thoughts at that for now. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 07:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::NSONG specifies that songs should be the subject of multiple non-trivial works. Mentions are insufficient. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 10:17, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - mixed reviews, especially in major magazines, is a sure sign of notability. I've said that, whether it's a book, film, or a song, mixed reviews show that the media is actually paying attention and doing their jobs. Bearian (talk) 22:43, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep various sources covering the song. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:24, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: per PSA's analysis Muhandes (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Keep: Period. TomaNota (talk) 02:34, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

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