Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dick and Enid Eyeington

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WP:VICTIM, WP:ONEEVENT. The pair's only notability derives from their death, and it's not enough to maintain an article on. Ducknish (talk) 20:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

:I am not entirely clear that is true. There seem to be five BBC articles about them and according to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/6586725.stm "tributes were led by Oscar-winning director Lord Attenborough, actor Richard E Grant and political commentator Matthew Parris". Daily Telegraph said Lord Attenborough, a close friend of Mr Eyeington's, said last night he was was "desperately upset" at the news. "They were an inspirational couple, selfless and courageous," Although the publicity was about their death there are many dozens of pieces of material which strike me as much more obituary than simply news items. They got an obituary in the Times after all: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/obituaries/article2077379.ece --BozMo talk 21:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)talk 21:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

::But none of the material shows that the event was of lasting importance, and to the best of my knowledge, it was not an event with worldwide or prolonged coverage. All the material about what they did during their lives comes from articles about their death. There is no coverage of any actions they took besides dying. Ducknish (talk) 21:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Well, it just took me two minutes to establish their death was covered by major newspapers (not scrapper websites, but de spiegel etc) in the UK, Austria, Germany, Somalia, Switerland, South Africa, India, Somaliland, & Eire. Indeed there is a feature interview in de speigel eight months before his death (see http://www.spiegel.de/schulspiegel/swasiland-der-freund-der-kinder-a-231993.html) And you do not get obits just on the basis of a notable way of dying; to add to the times the guardian one is http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2003/oct/27/guardianobituaries.obituaries . The coverage ran in all major UK news sources lasted from 2003 (their death) to 2007 (when their murders were sentenced to death), with quite a few court updates (particularly in 2005) run in all the major papers and on the bbc. They may not have been prominent in the US, but the non US coverage was not short or local. --BozMo talk 04:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

::Cough cough. Somaliland is not part of Somalia?

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• keep the obits demonstrate notability. Would consider splitting but they're so interconnected that this doesn't seem worthwhile. Barney the barney barney (talk) 08:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
• Comment If they don't meet Wikipedia policies for an article on themselves or their murder, a merge to SOS Sheikh Secondary School, the school they re-established and ran, would be suitable. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
• keep - needs better sourcing, not deletion. notable. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - Major news outlets don't run obituaries (as opposed to paid death notices) for non-notable people. This is reinforced with Der Speigel interview prior to their death. -- Whpq (talk) 20:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:VICTIM, these poor folks are only famous for being murdered. J04n(talk page) 20:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
• Delete an existing article can incorporate their murder, there is no claim to notability apart from the way they died. Hekerui (talk) 19:05, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
• There is most certainly a claim on notability aprt from the way they died; it is their educational work in Africa. -- Whpq (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
• I admit I discounted the Spiegel interview, it was written by school kids. He was an administrator for SOS children's villages and that's a great job, but I didn't think it so extraordinary to make someone notable. Hekerui (talk) 23:26, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. The obituaries are coverage of their lives, not their deaths. Newspapers such as The Times and The Guardian only publish obituaries of people that they consider to have had notable lives, not of those who only had newsworthy deaths, and the whole thrust of the general notability guideline is that we follow the judgement of such sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
• Keep There's enough verifiable indicia of notoriety in the article to warrant its retention. Kabirat (talk) 08:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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