Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dolphin Records (Ireland)

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Article about a record label that does not show WP:SIGCOV or provide In-depth coverage on the subject. Sources are just WP:PASSINGMENTIONS. Jamiebuba (talk) 08:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Jamiebuba (talk) 08:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:41, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep, or at least draftify, as an alternative to AfD. Very premature nomination - the article was literally created today and is still a stub, and will no doubt be expanded. A brief WP:BEFORE gave me these additional references: [https://books.google.ie/books?id=oTMrDwAAQBAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=%22Dolphin+Records%22+Ireland The Irishness of Irish Music], Mary Black's [https://books.google.ie/books?id=ZeYUBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA112&dq=%22Dolphin+Records%22+Ireland#v=onepage&q=%22Dolphin%20Records%22%20Ireland&f=false autobiogrpahy]; coverage of stores closing made national media: [https://www.thejournal.ie/dolphin-discs-607707-Sep2012/ coverage of iconic store closing], [https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-20209066.html and here]; [https://www.independent.ie/life/how-the-best-man-won-this-womans-heart/37226773.html interview with an MD]; — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bastun (talk • contribs) 04:53, February 23, 2025 (UTC)

:Delete: While those sources are technically enough to meet WP:GNG, I don't think it could feasibly be enough to merit an article. A few problems with the sources provided are:

::* The coverage provided in The Journal, I feel, isn't significant enough to reasonably aid the article itself on it; unless I see it implemented significantly in the article myself, I doubt its usefulness.

::* From what I'm seeing, there is only a single sentence in the Irish Examiner, which falls under WP:PASSINGMENTION.

::* Interviews are WP:PRIMARY and is by the music director (MD), and non-independent, failing both "independent" and "secondary".

:I also looked at the sources in the article, and the majority of them fail the source guideline at WP:GNG one way or another. I should note that I haven't myself done a WP:BEFORE search. Concluding, even if it does meet the notability guideline, it only meets it barely, and I believe we should use common sense and delete the article anyway, without regard for the deletion policy. It simply isn't notable. —Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 21:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep Most sources are likely to be available pre-internet, so we are unlikely to find them easily searching online. I recall this as quite a wellknown record label and store(s) in the 1970s & 80s. I'm pretty sure some off-line sources will verify its notability. Draftify for now if considered appropriate. ww2censor (talk) 10:54, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

"Keep dozens of articles come up on them in newspapers.com. [https://www.newspapers.com/image/942163212/?match=1&terms=%22dolphin%20records%22 The Greensboro Record · June 24, 1981] seems in-depth. Additional hits come up in Google Books such as this [https://books.google.com/books?id=zSQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA54&dq=%22dolphin+records%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6z56D6d2LAxWWJ0QIHcw0HT0Q6AF6BAgFEAM#v=onepage&q=%22dolphin%20records%22&f=false Billboard Article].Darkm777 (talk) 02:52, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

• Draftify until notability can be established. Most of the sources I looked at only have insignificant coverage or are self-published (and, in my opinion, unreliable). Two of the sources Bastun found might be exceptions ([https://www.independent.ie/life/how-the-best-man-won-this-womans-heart/37226773.html this one] from the Irish Independent and [https://www.thejournal.ie/dolphin-discs-607707-Sep2012/ this one] from TheJournal.ie), but two sources with maybe-significant coverage are not quite enough.

::{{ping|Bastun}} I don't think Mary Black could have excluded Dolphin Records from her autobiography{{snd}}she was an employee there after she got married. Even if she were a secondary source, the significance of the coverage is still questionable (page 160 comes close). I can't access The Irishness of Irish Music in its entirety. If you can: how significant is the coverage? Fifty non-repetitious words of fairly continuous prose would go a long way toward establishing notability.

::{{ping|Ww2censor}} I don't think the claim that there must be sources is convincing enough to keep the article in the mainspace, but draftification should provide enough time for sources to be found if they exist.

::{{ping|Darkm777}} I don't have a subscription to newspapers.com, and the dozens of articles you mention sound promising, but I'd need to see how the sources are used in the article to know if they have significant coverage. Draftification should give enough time to flesh out the article if it is notable. The billboard source is an advertisement.

:As it stands, I do not think the subject is notable. Draftification will give other editors more time to find sources and mount a better argument for notability. — PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke) 05:02, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep Rather plainly meets WP:MUSIC's sense of one of the more important indie labels, and the combined sourcing in the article and found in this discussion is well enough to err on the side of retention rather than draftification. We have an encyclopedic topic here. Chubbles (talk) 05:40, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as per Darkm777 and Chubbles. It has a historical importance too, going back to the late 1960s when music was developing. And quote: ww2censor Good point about pre-internet. I'm sure stuff can be physically cited to make the article stronger. But as it stands, it makes the grade from what I can see. Karl Twist (talk) 07:36, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:Keep. Dolphin Records was a significant label in the Irish musical landscape of the 1960s-80s. If I had access to the Irish Newspaper Archive I would go through it looking for more sources but I don't. Seems weird that there was never a book released about Irish independent music labels. Just to note @Darkm777 that the Billboard article linked above seems to refer to a separate Dolphin Records set up in the USA in 1981, not this one, but thanks for highlighting it. Ridiculopathy (talk) 12:29, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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