Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dream House (HGTV)

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Unnotable HGTV television series. I created this back when I first started editing, before I really understood WP:N. Realize now, it isn't notable at all. No significant coverage in reliable, third party sources, no reviews, nothing. Everything there is either sourced to the site or the episodes. Failed PROD with the prod being removed with note of "deprod..it is a notable tv show...just needs references" however person removing the PROD may have confused it with the far more notable HGTV Dream Home, which is the series that does the annual house give aways, or a serial deprodder, looking at his edit history. Either way, disagree with the series being notable, so here it be. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Why not consider a merge of the contents to HGTV Dream Home since the two are related? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:Um, because they are not. They are two entirely different series with no relation to one another than having, regrettably, very similar names (and Dream Home is sometimes erroneously referred to as Dream House) and both are series that air on HGTV. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oppose merge - As Collectionian notes, they are completely unrelated series. I've watched them both. -- Whpq (talk) 15:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep This program ran 19 seasons on a major US cable TV network. A Google News search finds considerable coverage in prominent media outlets: [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22dream+house%22+hgtv&btnG=Search+Archives&ned=us&hl=en]. Pastor Theo (talk) 03:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::Most, if not all, of those sources are for the other show, not this one. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I found coverage of "Dream House" in that Google News search in the Washington Post, Denver Post, Rocky Mountain News, Buffalo News, The Chattanoogan, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Austin Business Journal, Los Angeles Times and Chicago Sun-Times. Pastor Theo (talk) 04:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Can you point to some specifics because every one I looked at was for the HGTV Dream House/Home contest series, not this series. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep - Yes, the search is hard because Dream House appears in many contexts. The problem is made worse by the number of articles behind pay walls. However, it is clear this [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DP&p_theme=dp&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=10CE75BAB0453D20&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM article] is about season 14 of the series. And as the full text of this [http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/29/where-are-they-now/ article] is available, we can see more coverage of season 1. This [http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-29219314_ITM article] is about season 16, as are [http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_106052.asp this], [http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_122567.asp this], [http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-29584792_ITM this] and [http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-17319464_ITM this]. There looks to be much more but I think this suffices to establish that sufficient sources exist to establish notability. And for what it's worth, I've watched the series, but of course, personal attestation doesn't establish notability, and I am not a reliable source! :) -- Whpq (talk) 15:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

::Must give you props on finding those! I knew at least one or two eps made some of their local news because they did/do have some rather cool projects on there (certainly inspired me watching them as I rip apart my own house LOL). I do worry, though, about the ability of the article to really be much of anything, even with those sources. It doesn't seem like even HGTV bother's announcing that new seasons are airing (heck, I thought it was off the air!), and the episode list really doesn't add anything useful at all. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

:::It was a bit of a trudge through the search results, but in the end I found what I was looking for! The question at hand is notability, and I believe that I have established this. As for the quality of the content, we shall leave that to the collaborative editting process. Quality grows over time. After all Barack Obama used to look like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&oldid=2814496 this]. Not that I expect such a grand improvement here, but I've been surprised in the past by what an interested editor can do to significantly improve an article. -- Whpq (talk) 16:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep noteworthy in its own right  Chzz  ►  16:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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