Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dušan Trbojević (soldier)

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Non-notable individual that fails the notability test. Primary reference used is a local Chicago obituary. The other is a book written by Trbojević himself. ◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 20:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Delete Does not seem notable. Fails WP:BIO --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 20:28, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Vacation^nine 22:33, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Not notable per WP:BIO. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
• Keep - There are 23 sources on GBS which mention or exclusively deal with this person if searched using Cyrillic script ([https://www.google.com/search?tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&oq=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.1550.11078.0.11394.24.13.4.7.10.0.192.1575.2j11.13.0...0.0...1c.1.nwJ_VtwdPNU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1517&bih=756#q=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&ei=njOyUK2kGerd4QSOlIG4DA&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f2e8807b321f5c7b&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=681 link]), or 32 sources when searched using Latin script ([https://www.google.com/search?tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&oq=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.1550.11078.0.11394.24.13.4.7.10.0.192.1575.2j11.13.0...0.0...1c.1.nwJ_VtwdPNU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1517&bih=756#q=%22Du%C5%A1an+Trbojevi%C4%87%22&hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&ei=UTSyUIeUDOTE4gTBzYDwBQ&start=30&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f2e8807b321f5c7b&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=681 link]) which proves that this person is notable because most of the sources support the request of WP:BIO ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BIO#Basic_criteria "has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."]). It is wrong to delete article about notable topic just because it is not enough sourced. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:*I'm not sure what search results you're looking at (I'll leave aside WP:GHITS for the moment) - the first link you provide has 4 results, two of which list the subject as the author. Certainly not "independent", even if they provide significant coverage. The second link has 2 results but having a look at the books themselves, the first contains no mention of "Dušan Trbojević" (according to the search feature) and the second cannot be searched. While sources are not required to be online, I would imagine we need more than "here's 55 sources" which turn out to in fact be 4 sources and with no indication as to whether or not they provide significant coverage of the topic or whether they are WP:RS. Stalwart111 23:43, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

::*I checked the links I provided. The first link shows 23 works and another 32. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:::*Well I'm not sure what's going on there - probably another reason why listing the number of google hits might not be a good idea - searches from different countries get different results. Perhaps you could list the individual suggested sources instead along with what they say about the subject (if you can translate). Maybe just the best 2-3. If there are a couple of good instances of "significant coverage" then it's a different story. Stalwart111 00:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

::::* The problem might be a result of my deghosting of the search results. Without deghosting the links are [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&oq=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.1550.11078.0.11394.24.13.4.7.10.0.192.1575.2j11.13.0...0.0...1c.1.nwJ_VtwdPNU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1517&bih=756#hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&oq=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.0.4991.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.cdymh..0.0...1.e2VZk7kHmcM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f2e8807b321f5c7b&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=681 Cyrillic] and [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&oq=%22%D0%94%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD+%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B%22&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.1550.11078.0.11394.24.13.4.7.10.0.192.1575.2j11.13.0...0.0...1c.1.nwJ_VtwdPNU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1517&bih=756#hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Du%C5%A1an+Trbojevi%C4%87%22&oq=%22Du%C5%A1an+Trbojevi%C4%87%22&gs_l=serp.3...98882.102657.1.102904.21.18.3.0.0.4.207.2418.0j17j1.18.0.cdymh..0.0...1.1.CwbUJpcexHQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f2e8807b321f5c7b&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=681 Latin]. Before deghosting they show 569 or 170 hits, but after deghosting they show 32 or 23 hits. Nevertheless, I will try to select a couple of sources which deal with this person without relying on GBS only within next couple of days.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::*That would be great - look forward to seeing them. I'm still having trouble with those links, particularly the Cyrillic one which is giving me search parameters rather than results. Not your fault, I don't think. Anyway, it's a moot point if you are going to summarise the best ones for us anyway. Cheers, Stalwart111 23:39, 26 November 2012 (UTC).

• Delete - on the basis of my response above. Stalwart111 23:43, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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• Delete - the only sources available refer to a pianist.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:* That is incorrect. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

::*Could you produce an English-language source about this subject or an adequate number of reliable Serbian-language ones that treat him an important subject?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 22:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:::*It is incorrect that "the only sources available refer to a pianist". It was wrong to !vote for deletion based on such incorrect assertion. For the rest see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FDu%C5%A1an_Trbojevi%C4%87_%28soldier%29&diff=524996042&oldid=524961520 this comment].--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

::::*Please produce one reliable English-language source or an adequate number of Serbian-language ones. Books written by him and works that can't be verified in any way aren't indicative of any notability.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 23:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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