Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Durham County Cricket League
=[[Durham County Cricket League]]=
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Unverified despite being tagged for one year; dubious notability (i.e., appears not to meet WP:CRIN criteria); possibility of original research; tagged last year for multiple issues around wikification, style, structure, etc. Brian (talk) 10:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- The reference to WP:CRIN is irrelevant, because WP:CRIN does not include any criteria for notability of leagues. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:Reply. Yes, it does. Under clubs it states:
for Great Britain, those clubs which have competed in the Minor Counties Championship or are included in the List of English cricket clubs do meet the notability requirements. The essence of the latter group is that the clubs belong to one of the Bradford Cricket League, the Lancashire League, the Central Lancashire League or one of the ECB Premier Leagues.
:and this Durham league is not an ECB Premier League. The conclusion has to be that it is not notable. --Brian (talk) 18:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:*That section is about the notability of individual clubs playing in those leagues, not of the leagues themselves. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:::But the logical conclusion is that the league is not notable if it is not an ECB Premier League. --Brian (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::::It's in no way illogical that a league can be notable without its individual member clubs being notable, just as a club can be notable without its individual players being notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
{{od}}So where is the evidence of notability in this case? --Brian (talk) 19:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:I haven't yet looked for it. I only made the obvious point that your invocation of WP:CRIN was invalid, and you chose to argue about that point rather than think about it. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::It's a discussion, not an argument. Don't be defensive. You've made a fair point about CRIN which is flawed because they don't specify league status (neither, incidentally, do they cover clubs outside England and Australia). I'll raise it at the project forum. --Brian (talk) 04:35, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
- Weak keep - A search for sources doesn't turn up much, but I think there's enough out there. This league will have an interesting history, being a feeder league for Durham CCC in its minor counties days (and I think it was directly connected to Durham CCC). Some history to uncover, but needs plenty of work. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, →Bmusician 02:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keep We frequently have articles on leagues in all sports where the individual teams are not notable. That sort of article on the overall subject is an excellent way of handling sub-notable topics that yet can reasonably be mentioned. DGG ( talk ) 07:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
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