Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Geick (3rd nomination)

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This page has been deleted twice before. The references added since then don't change much. Still does not meet WP:NCOLLATH. Still does not meet WP:GNG. agtx 02:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Poetry, Wrestling, and Illinois. Shellwood (talk) 08:44, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
• Keep: Geick meets WP:SIGCOV per [https://vman.com/article/new-rulers-dylan-geick/ 2021] in VMan, [https://www.outsports.com/2019/10/31/20939368/ncaa-athlete-compensation-gay-wrestler-dylan-geick 2019] in Outsports, [https://web.archive.org/web/20211130135556/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/style/dylan-geick-poet-wrestler.html 2018] in The New York Times, [https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/sports/ct-lns-wrestling-columbia-dylan-geick-st-0320-20180319-story.html 2018] and [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/100693069/wrestler-not-alone-as-young-gay/ 2017] in Lake County News-Sun, [https://chicago.gopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/88412404 2017] in ChicagoPride.com. This isn't routine college game statistics as stated in WP:NCOLLATH. Local coverage shouldn't be discounted (WP:ITSLOCAL). Perhaps one day, coming out won't be newsworthy, but in this instance, the coverage is there. TJMSmith (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
• Keep with TJMSmith's sources enough to pass GNG. I added another sigcov source to the article ([https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=STND&u=wikipedia&id=GALE%7CA484248609&v=2.1&it=r&sid=ebsco&asid=dddc452b this one]). I haven't stopped looking but I didn't want to forget to !vote. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
• :Just added a [https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lincolnshire/sports/ct-lns-wrestling-dylan-geick-lgbt-st-0401-20170331-story.html 2017 Chicago Tribune] SIGCOV source. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
• ::This source was discussed specifically at the last AfD, where it was explained that this is local WP:YOUNGATH type coverage not actually from the Tribune. agtx 16:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
• :{{u|Sportsfan 1234}}, multiple sources in the article and linked here are reliable, secondary, independent, and significant in their coverage of Geick. On what grounds do you see a GNG failure? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
• ::This is discussed at length in the second AfD. It's the same sources, and the same reasons apply. agtx 16:12, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
• :::Replying to your comment just above and the one timestamped 16:13: the 2018 Tribune/News-Sun piece was mentioned at the last AfD, but the 2017 one is new. The analysis applied seems to be an NCOLLATH one, but GNG does not have a "national media" requirement and the analysis isn't simply transferable to a different guideline. Though syndicated from the News-Sun, the [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/101096958/chicago-tribune/ 2017 piece was published in the Tribune]. The Daily Herald piece and VMan feature weren't discussed in the last AfD. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
• :::: Another source that wasn't discussed last time is the [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26379112.2021.1950740 2021 paper] in the Journal of Women and Gender in Higher Education that uses Geick as one of its three case studies. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:38, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: We need to revisit the source analysis please.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

• {{strong|Comment}}: here's a source analysis table (just below, collapsed). I didn't include all the sources in the article or mentioned here. Some of these sources were discussed in the last AfD, but most commenters were analyzing them through the lens of NCOLLATH. There's no need for SNG analysis here, as GNG is met. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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| source = [https://www.outsports.com/2017/2/23/14703598/gay-wrestler-dylan-geick Oustports (2017)]

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| source = [https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lincolnshire/sports/ct-lns-wrestling-dylan-geick-lgbt-st-0401-20170331-story.html Chicago Tribune (2017)]

| ind = y

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| rel = y

| rel_just = syndicated content from the News-Sun, also reliable. Was [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/101096958/chicago-tribune/ definitely published] in the Tribune

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| source = [https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=STND&u=wikipedia&id=GALE%7CA484248609&v=2.1&it=r&sid=ebsco&asid=dddc452b Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, 2017)]

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| source = [https://www.outsports.com/2019/10/31/20939368/ncaa-athlete-compensation-gay-wrestler-dylan-geick Outsports (2019)]

| ind = y

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| rel = y

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| sig = y

| sig_just = Not exclusively about Geick; about 380 words of coverage, hitting the major beats of a couple years of his life, and additional 400 directly quoting him on his life and NCAA policy

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| source = [https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/sports/ct-lns-wrestling-columbia-dylan-geick-st-0320-20180319-story.html Lake County News-Sun (2018)]

| ind = y

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| rel = y

| rel_just = now hosted on the Tribune{{'}}s site but no evidence it was published in the paper; News-Sun is plenty reliable on its own

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