Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edgar Coleman

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I don't think this person meets the criteria for WP:NMG or WP:BIO. The article was created circa 2006 and it doesn't look like there have ever been any references. I've searched for references and all I can find is a mirror of the article. Knitsey (talk) 18:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:While trying to add to this article, Knitsey is maliciously deleting and adding nominations for deletion. It is obviously for personal reasons. Please stop and let people add important imformation to this article with references. 76.129.157.62 (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::Share the sources here, that's the point of AfD, discussion. Oaktree b (talk) 19:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::Ip, I would like to see a diff of the content I deleted maliciously. Please do not make uncivil comments. Knitsey (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:::We are not making uncivil comment. As soon as I was placing information the "Red Box of Death" hits me as I am working. Are you always this disrespectful? BTW - I know you real names besides your alias. I have worked my tail off for many years for the organization. Show respect and you will get it back. CindyHolly1234 (talk) 20:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. You beat me to it Knitsey. I found passing mentions in a few articles about other musicians, but the only sources that discuss Coleman in depth were entirely lifted from our article. Squeakachu (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: Zero references found for this pianist. Unsourced since 2006? Wow. Oaktree b (talk) 19:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• :The Red Box of death was place while I was editing. I would think that was malicious and rude. Has anyone done that to you? I did not appreciate it. The subject is a great pianist, polymath and won many awards and taught by many great people. You would do yourself a dishonor to delete him. I have gotten plenty of information from historical and ref will be done. CindyHolly1234 (talk) 19:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• ::So please provide these sources, saying so doesn't change the fact. We need something to be sourced. Oaktree b (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

:Knitsey - I had a friend from Historical and both of us was going to insert references for Edgar Coleman when you began vandalising his wiki article while information was being corrected as well as ref insertions. If someone of Coleman's calibre becomes deleted than most everything else on wiki should be. Take the red box and deletion off and give someone a chance to at least finish this man's bio, etc. Very aggressive. CindyHolly1234 (talk) 19:42, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::At no point has Knitsey vandalized the article. The person who reverted the recent edits was me, and I did so because those edits were not supported by any sources and contained promotional wording. This deletion discussion does not prevent continued editing of the article, so if you are aware of sources that support Coleman's notability you can add them. If you're not sure how to do so correctly you can share them here and we can help you. Squeakachu (talk) 19:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:::What about distraction while I tried to work. Do you not have anything better to do than delete other people's work? CindyHolly1234 (talk) 20:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::::There's no way for one editor to know if another editor is in the middle of an edit of their own, so sometimes they conflict. I'm sorry you apparently lost your work. Squeakachu (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::Please keep it civil folks, we aren't here to attack one another... If you have sources, share them here! Oaktree b (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:::If I share sources, they should go into the article. This is not a Miss America Contest that I have to rely on your "approval." CindyHolly1234 (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::::Correct, but if you can't be civil, you can and will be banned. We're here to play nice, people. Oaktree b (talk) 02:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

::Please remain civil. Nominating an article for deletion because it has never had any references is not vandalism. Nobody has added any references recently. Please read WP:CIVIL and WP:VAND. Knitsey (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:::I was in the middle of writing and fixing the articles and your were already placing red-box banners on the top the the page. Could not wait, could you? Petty person. CindyHolly1234 (talk) 20:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:::I have days of ref. to add to many articles. I don't appreciate being rushed. For example: On Ozan Marsh's article, Richard Ozanne added his name to his father with a ref to his playing! What kind of reference is that? Mr. Redbox needs to go over there and delete it immediately. CindyHolly1234 (talk) 20:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: Per the nominator - there are zero references in this article, the "references" that were starting to be added were all promotional and not RS.--VViking_TalkEdits 20:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: Coleman has been included in the "possibly living category" for a long time. As someone who regularly goes through that category to try and add details to anyone included, I find it very difficult to locate any decent references. Skycloud86 (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:Delete: as per nom and others Dazzling4 (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::If people like myself, etc are trying to add links, then it should not be deleted. A lawsuit is the next step. You all seem to want to delete Coleman. An attorney will trace this down. Such a coincidink that you all played gang up as soon as I was adding refs - and even more so suspicious since the Read Box while attempting. Most people on here wiki don't have sufficient refs. Hypocrites - enjoy Karma. 76.129.157.62 (talk) 23:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

:::You're more than welcome to add reliable references to the article, it's still possible to do so. Skycloud86 (talk) 23:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

::::I don't think we are going to get anywhere with this. Given the rhetoric it is very likely that this is the same person as CindyHolly1234 evading bans. Dazzling4 (talk) 01:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

::::::Both experienced and inexperienced editors need to be civil. If you have suspicions of socking, go to SPI or ANI, don't bring up accusations here. Focus on the article, not the contributors. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

:::::::In just a small amount of time I have found many links and info on Edgar Coleman. Thanks to t********r, I made contact with his former manager and another manager who was setting up Warner Brother deal that Coleman was singing lead vocals with guitarist great, now deceased Shawn Lane. All of these people have given sworn depostions (most videoptaped) due to Coleman injury years ago, but documented. I need more time to put these together. Do I get more than 7 days and if so, may I get a time extension? This will take longer than I thought it would. I say this because the beginning of Coleman's articles says he is multi- talented and would like to break categores, I would appreciate more time. Coleman taught many award winning students at Conservatory with one winning major competiition as well as judge for numerous other competions as wll as the Competion that gives the financial awards for winners of the Van Cliburn competition. Most are in newspaper clipping links -Coleman who is now a painter, film producer i did not talk but manager(s) were very helpful. May I get a time xtension or does it go away it 7 days. I took this task after the original wiki editor passed. Please advise. 76.129.157.62 (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC) 76.129.157.62 (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

:::Ok, please do so. We're here to discuss sources, what is the lawyer going to exactly? Do what you must. Oaktree b (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment no sources found in Jstor, the Wikpedia library, the New York Times... Gsearch only has a president of the Georgia Dental Association with this name, nothing in Gbooks, Gsearch brings up wiki mirrors, then nothing. I'm starting to have my doubts this is even a real person at this point; I mean, there is NOTHING about a pianist with this name. No sources added in the last 20 years either, give or take a few years, something is fishy here. Oaktree b (talk) 02:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete I also can find no sources. I can't find any trace of the alleged Harold Schonberg quote outside of wikipedia mirrors (though perhaps someone who is better at wrangling the NYT digital archive can do better?) and the only evidence I can come up with for a pianist called Edgar Coleman at all is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1kNL754ZKo this youtube video] which could have been taken anywhere. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - It is not impossible for CindyHolly to edit an article when someone else is working on it; just copy your text and paste it back a minute later. So those promised sources won't be coming. I have a subscription to New York Times and more search capabilities through my university library, and neither Coleman nor the text that H. Schonberg supposedly wrote about him can be found in the NYT archives for 1960-1980 when Schonberg was their classical music critic. I can find nothing else reliable online, including pre-Internet sources in Google Books. I too question whether Coleman even existed, and if he did he was so non-notable that I also question why someone is so dead-set about forcing info about him into Wikipedia. That is not the attitude of someone interested in encyclopedic knowledge. Nice try with the lawyer threat though, as if one would touch this case with a ten-foot pole. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 23:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: Earlier verisons of the article in the history talk aobut him being a student of Ozan Marsh, that's the only link to any sort of notability. Ozan has an article here, but nothing about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 02:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• :I agree with Ozan. Also In just a small amount of time I have found many links and info on Edgar Coleman. Thanks to t********r, I made contact with his former manager and another manager who was setting up Warner Brother deal that Coleman was singing lead vocals with guitarist great, now deceased Shawn Lane. All of these people have given sworn depostions (most videoptaped) due to Coleman injury years ago, but documented. I need more time to put these together. Do I get more than 7 days and if so, may I get a time extension? This will take longer than I thought it would. I say this because the beginning of Coleman's articles says he is multi- talented and would like to break categores, I would appreciate more time. Coleman taught many award winning students at Conservatory with one winning major competiition as well as judge for numerous other competions as wll as the Competion that gives the financial awards for winners of the Van Cliburn competition. Most are in newspaper clipping links -Coleman who is now a painter, film producer i did not talk but manager(s) were very helpful. May I get a time xtension or does it go away it 7 days. I took this task after the original wiki editor passed. Please advise. 76.129.157.62 (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC) 76.129.157.62 (talk) 21:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: Per nom and above, unreferenced for almost two decades dxneo (talk) 12:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• :In just a small amount of time I have found many links and info on Edgar Coleman. Thanks to t********r, I made contact with his former manager and another manager who was setting up Warner Brother deal that Coleman was singing lead vocals with guitarist great, now deceased Shawn Lane. All of these people have given sworn depostions (most videoptaped) due to Coleman injury years ago, but documented. I need more time to put these together. Do I get more than 7 days and if so, may I get a time extension? This will take longer than I thought it would. I say this because the beginning of Coleman's articles says he is multi- talented and would like to break categores, I would appreciate more time. Coleman taught many award winning students at Conservatory with one winning major competiition as well as judge for numerous other competions as wll as the Competion that gives the financial awards for winners of the Van Cliburn competition. Most are in newspaper clipping links -Coleman who is now a painter, film producer i did not talk but manager(s) were very helpful. May I get a time xtension or does it go away it 7 days. I took this task after the original wiki editor passed. Please advise. 76.129.157.62 (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

:::Consider the Wikipedia:Drafts process. Reading through that page might be a little more fulfilling than threatening to sue us. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

• :Delete - zero indication of importance despite the above claims of IP editors and others. Kazamzam (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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