Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Morgan (choreographer)

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Subject contacted the WMF offices requesting removal. Because notability may be marginal, I'm listing here. This is a procedural nomination, I do not have an official opinion. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• Weak delete - I'm not sure that we should really consider the request for removal by the subject, as we tend not to take that into account - provided the article does not violate any of our BLP policies. This article does not, so I think we need to focus on the notability of the subject only. Three of the four sources seem to mention Morgan more than just in passing ([http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/25/arts/dance-review-debut-by-ballet-troupe-with-roots-in-the-joffrey.html], [http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/15/arts/dance-review-stormy-clouds-chase-everyone-from-the-place.html] & [http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/08/arts/in-performance-dance-firmly-committed-to-classical-form.html?src=pm]); having said that, the sources are not explicitly about Morgan. It's a hard call, but I'm not convinced that Morgan is notable. Having said that, another source (perhaps from somewhere other than the NYT) which gives reasonable coverage of Morgan would convince me otherwise. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 19:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• Keep (Delete then re-Create, see below), if the New York Times is anything to go by?

:: [http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/15/arts/dance-review-stormy-clouds-chase-everyone-from-the-place.htm] that you mention actually says " an impromptu solo by Edward Morgan, the former Joffrey Ballet dancer who directs the troupe with Daniel Scott, made for serendipitous magic. MorganScott opened with Mr. Morgan's Stockhausen 2000: Dreams, a group work set to a score by Stockhausen that sounded, in its first moments, like thunder echoing through the gathering storm..." and then "Then came the magic as Mr. Morgan jumped onto the stage in a solo that looked like an improvised prayer. His long lean body, arms reaching up and, pressing into the pelting rain, echoed the long lines of the skyscrapers behind him. The image was unforgettably theatrical yet also poignant." i.e. Morgan stole the show.

:: Likewise, [http://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/25/arts/dance-review-debut-by-ballet-troupe-with-roots-in-the-joffrey.html] begins with "If Edward Morgan and Daniel Scott could bottle the evening's warmth and bubbling spirits, they would have no trouble raising money to keep their company going. Mr. Morgan danced with the Joffrey Ballet for a decade and was a co-director of the recently disbanded Joffrey II Concert Dancers with Mr. Scott. It is clear from his choreography that Mr. Morgan knows his way around ballet." and moves on to "Mr. Morgan knows how to make his dancers look good, giving them plenty of delicate flourishes for their lyrical arms and fleeting emotional details that highlight the performers' engaging way of relating to one another on the stage."

:: These very warm accounts in the NYT would probably be enough to establish notability on their own, but there are numerous others, including

::[http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/05/arts/cue-from-broadway-and-films.html] says "The delight of the evening was Mr. Morgan's Cheek to Cheek, subtitled A Tribute to Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers and set to orchestral recordings of tunes by Youmans, Berlin, Gershwin and Kern. Mr. Morgan derived his choreography from old movie, Broadway and nightclub routines." is again strong praise; and even if the other pieces were greeted more coolly, the NYT critic certainly found Morgan notable.

Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• Change to keep - Chiswick Chap puts forward a convincing argument, the NYT does seem to establish notability. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 20:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: I was looking at this as an interesting problem, but unfortunately found that the article itself was a copyright infringement of http://www.edwardmorganballet.org/, the subject's personal site. As the subject also requested deletion, it seems unlikely that the material could be released under a compatible license, and the content on the site has a copyright tag. As the infringement was foundational, it isn't possible to revert back to an earlier version, so I've nominated it for speedy. - Bilby (talk) 06:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

:: I have removed the whole of the previous text, and created a brief but I hope well-cited summary of Morgan's extensively-documented career as a dancer, choreographer, and dance educator. I am sure others closer to the USA's dance scene will be able to do better justice to this major subject, but Notability cannot be in doubt.Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

• Keep. NYT is good enough for me. --Legis (talk - contribs) 07:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

:: Delete, then re-Create Bilby has explained to me that we need to undo the CopyVio history before editing the article afresh. Accordingly I have undone my recent changes and moved them to User:Chiswick_Chap/Edward_Morgan_(choreographer) where you are all welcome to help me create a replacement page. I therefore do not contest the Speedy but intend to replace the article as soon as the CSD, AfD process is completed. Hope that's clear, it confused me for sure. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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