Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eleni Alexandris

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO in that is not notable. Codf1977 (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable singer and reality show contestant. Fails WP:BIO RadioFan (talk) 11:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - Per above, notability has not been established. EuroPride (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

what can i do to make sure that my page will not be deleted ???please help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anasta grego (talk • contribs) 12:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC) — Anasta grego (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

:@Anasta:You have to find and cite multiple reliable and independent sources. Possible coverage in the Greek language is allowed, of course. --Vejvančický (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Her participation in the Greece's X-Factor was noted by the [http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/607690--scarborough-singer-eliminated-from-greek-talent-show Inside Toronto]. However, that's all I found via Google searching for latin and Greek transcription of her name. Btw, she wasn't the winner of the competiton. --Vejvančický (talk) 15:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

@ -Vejvančický my sources are reliable because i know this singer personally and she gave me her biography.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anasta grego (talk • contribs) 16:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:: You should have a read of reliable sources for what is meant by reliable and also about conflict of interest. Codf1977 (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Delete without prejudice. Bio info from the subject is not counted as a reliable source for fairly obvious reasons. There are no references other than to youtube, facebook, etc. As it stands, the article doesn't even claim anything that could meet Wikipedia's criteria anyway, so far as I can see. Good luck for the future, though. Peridon (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

i have just added a new External link that confirms her partitipation in Greek x factor what else do i have to do..i am new here please help thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anasta grego (talk • contribs) 16:29, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment To find her, one has to find and click on the 'singers' button, then she's in the 'male and female over 25' section. Basically all that establishes is that she took part in the Greek XFactor. And some of the text is rather familiar looking, having read this article under discussion. The first few paragraphs, in particular. "what else do i have to do"? You have to provide references that show some notability under WP:GNG and complying with the policies listed above by Codf1977. Peridon (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Anasta grego (talk) 17:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)does anyone of you has facebook ?? i need help immidiately..Anasta grego (talk) 17:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

::I don't, but others might. You've usually got about a week on these discussions. Then you can always try again - after fixing the problems. Keep a copy on your own machine just in case. Peridon (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• i am really stupid ...this is very importand for me and i cant do it :( Anasta grego (talk) 17:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• i think i ve found a solution ...the only thing that might delete my page is that this singer is not notable well ive read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSICBIO#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles and this singer has at least one of them Has been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network...so what can i do now ??? Anasta grego (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

:*Comment Sorry, her participation on X Factor does not establish notability. There are hundreds of participants in nationally televised singing competitions like X Factor and Idol, the finalists might be notable, the others are not. This person was a participant in a reality show, she was not the subject of the broadcast. Criteria 12 of WP:BAND cannot be interpreted as "has been on TV".--RadioFan (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

but she was a finalist 4th place is not bad!!! and she gave many interviews in radio and tv!!please guys dont delete my page !!!Anasta grego (talk) 20:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Not notable enough, at least not yet. Anasta, you say she gave radio and TV interviews; if you can post a link to one of those interviews it would help. Please understand that there is nothing personal about this. This discussion is not about Eleni herself. We're not talking about how good she is or how well she sings. I'm sure she is very good. But the article has to meet Wikipedia's standards. One requirement is that she is "notable". That means that there has been independent recognition of her - news stories about her, critical reviews of her work, etc. The recognition has to be in independent, reliable sources - not just what she says about herself, not just facebook and IMDB and press releases. This process may seem unfair to you and I am sorry, but it is necessary. Without standards, Wikipedia would not be an encyclopedia; it would be just another bulletin board where anybody can say anything she wants. If this article is deleted, but Eleni goes on to become more famous (in other words newspapers start to talk about her), then the article could be recreated. --MelanieN (talk) 14:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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