Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elenite

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Doesn't reach WP:NCORP; a black sea resort referenced only by a travel website: exclusively promotional. I had placed a PROD, but this was contented on the grounds "I think it's notable as a quasi-populated place". I don't think that a resort should be assessed as a 'populated place', but rather as a business. Unable to find reliable sources discussing this resort; other language versions don't seem to help either. Klbrain (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Travel and tourism and Geography. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• Soft keep. As per my removal of the PROD. This is a holiday resort area of around 10 hotels, all or most of which are owned by a single company. Its status is indeed debatable: in [https://fakti.bg/news/9192-devet-kurorta-se-prevryshtat-v-selishta-s-nacionalno-znachenie 2005 it was listed] by the Bulgarian government as a "settlement of national importance", but this was [https://burgaslargo.com/displaynewsbg/7139 revoked by a court]. The area does have the [https://dv.parliament.bg/DVWeb/showMaterialDV.jsp;jsessionid=0C41648713E083B226F9BED3CA87772E?idMat=62122 status of a "climatic sea resort of local importance"], but under the name Kuzluka (which is unknown to the wider public, unlike the name Elenite) and bundled in together with the nearby Sveti Vlas. The resort has been mentioned in [https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/21660421/affordable-holiday-resorts-bulgaria-cheap-deals-sunny-beach-kavarna/ The Sun] and [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2783340/Family-16-awarded-119-000-holiday-hell-left-children-ill-suffering-four-YEARS-later.html Daily Mail]. — Toдor Boжinov — 08:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• :I would suggest a merge with Sveti Vlas and possibly other bundles resorts. IgelRM (talk) 17:09, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Settlements and administrative regions says:

  Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low. Even abandoned places can be notable, because notability encompasses their entire history. Census tracts, {{lang|fa-Latn|abadi}}, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable. Also, if the class of division is not notable (e.g. townships in certain US states) its members are not notable either, even though technically recognized in law. The Geographic Names Information System and the GEOnet Names Server do not satisfy the "legal recognition" requirement and are also unreliable for "populated place" designation.

  The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features), which says:

  Notability on Wikipedia is an inclusion criterion based on the encyclopedic suitability of an article topic. Geographical features meeting Wikipedia's General notability guideline (GNG) are presumed, but not guaranteed, to be notable. Therefore, the notability of some geographical features (places, roadways, objects, etc.) may be called into question.

  Sources

  1. {{cite book |last1=Shishkova |first1=Elena |last2=Ivanova |first2=Maria |last3=Dimova |first3=Rosit︠s︡a |date=1998 |title=Destination, Bulgaria |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=anlpAAAAMAAJ |location=Burgas |publisher=Selekta |via=Google Books |page=106 |isbn=978-954-8371-490 |accessdate=2025-03-02 }}

     The book notes: "Elenite Holiday Village which opened in 1985. It is roughly divided into two colonies of two-storey villas clustered around amenities one would normally expect to find in a classy holiday centre. Situated between a mountain massif and the sea shore around a large bay the villas face a beautiful stretch of clean sandy beach and the sparkling blue sea. Like the other holiday villages Elenite has sprung up to meet the growing demand for holidays of more privacy and comfort. This is exactly what the self-contained villas offer. Each comprises two large and well-appointed sea-facing studios, with a terrace on the ground floor and a balcony on the first one. The studios have separate entrances and are more or less of the same design. But the villas in zone A unlike those in zone B, have kitchenettes with cooking facilities. The Emona Hotel is perched on a hill in the north-eastern part of the village. Although it is called a hotel, it consists of villa accommodation like the rest of the village. It has its own reception area and other amenities including an attractive restaurant and a day bar. A new hotel in the northern part has just opened and another one, much larger, is being built in the southern part. The two zones of villas share a reception located in the Service Centre which comprises restaurants with indoor and outdoor dining, conference halls, bars, a gym, etc. The speciality restaurant The Fishing Net (Talyana) in the centre of the village tempts tourists with fish dishes. The Old Oak Tavern (Stariyat Dub) is attractively designed and offers a varied selection of wines and beers. For those who prefer preparing their own meals Elenite has a well-stocked supermarket in the shopping centre. Elenite is superbly equipped for sports enthusiasts. It has a sea-water pool for adults and another one for children, a sauna, three tennis courts, a gym."

  2. {{cite news |date=1986 |title=Bulgaria |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=VDoQAQAAMAAJ |publisher=Sofia Press Agency |via=Google Books |page=28 |ref={{harvid|Sofia Press Agency|1986}} |accessdate=2025-03-02 }}

     The article notes: "Elenite Tired of the tall concrete towers called hotels, of the queues outside lifts, of the crowded beaches and bars, all considered to be the 'comforts of big holiday resorts all over the world, the modern tourist started dreaming of Crusoe's island ... at least for the limited duration of his holiday. But how could he get this? Specialists saw the answer in building holiday villages located amidst exotic scenery. "Why did you choose Elenite for your holiday? " I asked Mr and Mrs Kvarken, a young Finnish couple whom I met on the beach. "We were looking for peace and quiet, and found it here, in addition to rare, exotic surrounding. We feel quite at home." The formula "less people, more peace", in the felicitous combination of a picturesque setting and original architecture, this is the Elenite holiday village in a nutshell. It is situated 15 km away from the old town of Nessebur, just where the oak-clad slopes of the Balkan Range descend gently towards the Black Sea. The village boasts fine conditions for holidaymakers—the beach is to the south, sheltered by the mountains to the north, in addition to the pleasant meadows cut by the rocky bed of the river Kozloushka. After interest was expressed by foreign tourist firms, the Bulgarian Association for Tourism and Recreation signed an agreement with the Finnish and French firms Matkarengas and Tourisme et Travail to build a holiday village accommodating 2,000 to the east of the river. It was built jointly by Bulgarian and Finnish construction workers, and welcomed its first visitors in 1985. The village is a far cry from the traditional resorts consisting of Sunlight is equally caressing at the beach and in fro of the bungalo Though there are no sharks special pools have been built for the naughty children where they can swim to their heart's content while mum and dad are having the time of their life in the sea."

  3. {{cite book |last=Dinchev |first=Evgeniĭ |date=2001 |title=A Guide to Bulgaria |url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Guide_to_Bulgaria/YjMXAQAAIAAJ |location=Sofia |publisher=Alexander Tour |via=Google Books |pages=303, 313 |isbn=978-954-9942-18-7 |accessdate=2025-03-02 }}

     The book notes: "Elenite is a resort situated east of Slunchev Bryag (Sunny Beach) at the beginning of an eight-kilometre long no through road. It is 50 km north of Bourgas and 442 km east of Sofia. The nearest village is Vlas. In the past it was given the name of a monastery destroyed by the Turks. The resort complex consists of one-family bungalows and villas surrounded by lush green vegetation. The whole complex is designed as a park and offers deluxe holidays. This small separate settlement has its own private beach, several luxurious restaurants, sports facilities and equipment for water sports, tennis-court. ... One can get to Elenite by minibus from Slunchev Bryag or by taxi, but most frequently holiday-makers come here in their own cars. velop and practice all water sports using the services of coaches, facilities and equipment, horse riding with coaches, water slides, a policlinic, and several big shopping centres for food, clothes and souvenirs. There is an amphitheatre with more than 1000 seats. Accommodation: The most famous are Kuban Hotel, Bourgas Hotel and Diamond Hotel. The hotels Delta, Amphora, Zephyr, and Esperanto in the Black Sea Complex that is part of the resort. The two camping sites — Emona and Slunchev Bryag (Sunny Beach) cover a large area and therefore the sites there are practically unlimited. There are also bungalows in the camps, and these can only be reserved in advance."

  4. {{cite book |last1=Bousfield |first1=Jonathan |last2=Richardson |first2=Dan |date=1999 |title=Bulgaria: The Rough Guide |url=https://archive.org/details/bulgariaroughgui0000bous_g0a0_3rded/page/352/ |location=London |publisher=Rough Guides |via=Internet Archive |page=352 |isbn=1-85828-422-8 |accessdate=2025-03-02 }}

     The book notes: "Buses continue northwards to the Elenite Holiday Village, 6km further up the coast, a predominantly package destination divided into two villa colonies sharing restaurants, bars and discos. It's a well-run, well-looked after resort with a good beach, good sporting facilities, and childcare provision in a central kindergarten, although it can seem rather isolated if you’re after more than just a beach holiday. A central reception desk (#0554/82423, fax 85147) allocates rooms, although costs are high for independent travellers, with prices of around $70 per person per day in the high season — meals, daytime drinks and entertainment are all included, though. The villas themselves come with cable TV, fridge and kitchenette (although the choice of food in the local store is limited, making the idea of self-catering unappealing)."

  5. {{cite book |last1=Tanner |first1=Adam |last2=Watson |first2=Ian |last3=Schrag |first3=Zachary |last4=Kaplan |first4=Andrew |orig-date=1987 |date=1995 |title=Frommer's Budget Travel Guide: Eastern Europe on $30 a Day |edition=5 |url=https://archive.org/details/frommersbudgettr0000tann/page/126/ |location=New York |publisher=Macmillan Publishers |via=Internet Archive |page=126 |isbn=0-02860092-4 |issn=1044-7792 |accessdate=2025-03-02 }}

     The book notes: "Northeast of Sunny Beach at the end of a dead-end road is the resort of Elenite, a favorite of Western Europeans on the coast for comfortable facilities and a peaceful setting. Unlike the mass of hotels across the Bulgarian coast, Elenite is an imaginative modern complex built by Finns and opened in 1985. Villas with two to four rooms spread out on a hill overlooking the seaside account for most of the lodgings here; there’s also a conventional hotel with 46 rooms. Villa rooms are decorated with terra-cotta tiles and blond-wood furniture, and have large balconies. Half the villa rooms have small kitchenettes with sinks and fridges but no stoves. ... Facilities: Several food stores, restaurants, and discos operate in the village complex. At the hotel’s private beach you can rent Windsurfers and umbrellas. There’s also a gym, swimming pool, sauna, and tennis court. A variety of excursions can be booked from the office in the main lobby, such as an all-day excursion ..."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Elenite to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 06:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

• I honestly have no real clue how to assess this one - Cunard's sources are all travel guides, which I don't think necessarily count towards significant coverage and certainly don't towards WP:NCORP. It's also not clear as to whether it's a village under WP:NGEO or a collection of businesses under WP:NCORP. What I do know is the article does not currently pass WP:GNG, since we can't assume the travel guides are secondary or independent (#2 might be the best, but it's potentially promotional.) SportingFlyer T·C 06:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
• delete wikipedia is not a travel guide and this isnt even obviously the name of the location. Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:06, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment: {{harvnb|Sofia Press Agency|1986}} notes, "After interest was expressed by foreign tourist firms, the Bulgarian Association for Tourism and Recreation signed an agreement with the Finnish and French firms Matkarengas and Tourisme et Travail to build a holiday village accommodating 2,000 to the east of the river." As a holiday village, Elenite falls under Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Settlements and administrative regions, which says, "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." The travel guides are independent of the subject. The sources provide significant coverage about Elenite's history and facilities, showing it meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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