Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Escapee

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Article about a song, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NSONGS. The only notability claim here is that it's been featured in video games and advertising, which is not listed as a criterion in NSONGS at all, and the only sources are a YouTube copy of the ad and a Blogspot blog entry, neither of which are valid or notability-assisting sources. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt the song from having to have significantly better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Australia. Bearcat (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

:Hey, Bearcat.

:The article contains these citations because the copy of the ad is to let the reader know the proof, (1) and the BlogSpot post to let viewers know the director of the video with having to rely on the music videos table in the Architecture in Helsinki article. (2)

:noofus talk 23:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

::Sources don't just have to verify that information is true, they also have to prove that the information is notable by virtue of having been written about analytically by reliable sources independent of the claims being made. So you don't make a song "notable for having been featured in an ad" by sourcing that statement to a YouTube copy of the ad — you make a song notable on those grounds by sourcing the statement to journalist-written content in media that treats "song featured in ad" as a news story. And you don't source the identity of a video's director to Blogspot; you source it to journalist-written content in media that identifies them as the director of the video.
The rule on Wikipedia is not that you can source an article to just any web page you can find that technically verifies the information you need a source for; the rule is that a topic isn't notable enough to have a Wikipedia article at all until you can source an article to real third-party coverage about the topic in real newspapers or magazines or books which represents external attention being paid to the song or the band by professional journalists and/or music critics. Bearcat (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

• I have just created Escapee (disambiguation), so:
• # Merge the content of the nominated article back to Moment Bends;
• # Move this title to Escapee (song) to preserve the edit history;
• # Redirect the moved title to the album; and
• # Move the disambiguation page to the base page name. BD2412 T 14:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
• :Can't it be "Escapee (Architecture in Helsinki song)" again? There might be other songs titled "Escapee" that gain a Wikipedia article that is more popular and/or too confusing to the AiH song in the futures. noofus talk 16:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
• : We don't disambiguate based on speculation that another noteworthy topic by the name might exist, or come to exist. BD2412 T 17:23, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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• Delete and Oppose Merge. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NSONG. Without reliable sources there is nothing of value or relevance to merge. Further, a merge of this song into the album article without any RS creates an issue of WP:Undue Weight in the article on Moment Bends.4meter4 (talk) 17:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
• The sources in the article now are not great, but they do at least suggest that this is the most noteworthy song on the album. BD2412 T 18:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

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