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Article about a short film, not properly referenced as passing our notability criteria for films. The strongest notability claim here is that it won an award at a minor regional film festival that is not prominent enough to clinch inclusion under NFILM's award criterion -- that's looking for film festivals on the Cannes-Berlin-Toronto-Sundance tier of significance, not just every single film festival that exists -- and after that, it's non-winning nominations for awards that are even less noteworthy, such as the Leos (a regional film award that is incredibly difficult to properly source at the best of times) and a film festival of even lower prominence than Yorkton. And while the Yorkton claim is at least citing a news article from the local community weekly (which is a start, but not enough all by itself if it's the only non-primary source that can be found), both the Leo and Oakville claims are cited only to those events' self-published websites about themselves rather than any evidence of media coverage. But for any film award to become a notability claim that assists inclusion of a film, it has to be an award that gets media coverage, in order to establish that it's even a notable award in the first place, and you cannot claim that a film is notable on the basis of awards that can be sourced only to the awarding organization's own website because media coverage about the awards is nonexistent. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this film from having to have considerably more and better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

• Weak Delete - this is a bit tough. It's new film, so this may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. It has gotten attention at festivals, but these are minor festivals. The Golden Sheath award, in my view, does not qualify as "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking". NFILM does not say won any award, but a major award. I am unable to find coverage of the film, including no sight of any reviews from my search. Again, this is a 2021 film so it may one day meet our criteria, but now, I don't see that as being the case.‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 18:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Add, reading my own comment reminded me of a certain holiday film: "It's a major award!" ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 18:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

• {{reply to|Bearcat}}, {{reply to|el cid, el campeador}} The film has won Two news award recently at 2021 Leo Awards: Best Sound Award and Best Musical Score Award supporting by [https://secure.leoawards.com/2021/nominees_and_winners/nominees_and_winners_by_program_2021.php]. I think all the received awards would be enough for a animated short film, to be notable for Wikipedia. I believe Keep Regards.황83보 (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

::As I stated, NFILM does not just indiscriminately accept every film award that exists on earth as an automatic notability clincher for a film: we're looking for major awards that get media coverage, such as Oscars, BAFTAs, Canadian Screen Awards or major film festivals on the Cannes, Berlin, Toronto or Sundance tier of prominence, and not for regional awards that get so little coverage that you have to rely on the award's own self-published website about itself to source the claim. It's not the presence of the word "award" in the text that determines whether a film is notable or not — it's the quality of the sourcing you can or can't show to demonstrate that any given award is recognized as a significant award by the media. Bearcat (talk) 20:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

• Delete This film has not received awards at the level that would show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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