Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Vibe Magazine

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Non-notable magazine, 254 non-wiki ghits. No notability asserted, no sources cited. This is also spam, as I caught the contributors to this page adding links to the subject's site en masse. Contested prod. MER-C 09:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• CommentI am new to adding and editing on Wikipedia but I read this magazine every month since i moved to Madrid as do a large number of other students from around the world based in Madrid. We thought the other day it would be good to add it to online versions of magazines and as a magzine in its own right. Someone else from this internet connection must have added the links to the articles. From reading over the guidelines some of these links appear to be incorrect but all point to spanish cities etc. I will try to find out who added these this morning and get them to stop. However i do feel the magazine itself should remain. CREAD 12:18, 10 July 2007

• Comment Does this magazine have another name in Spanish? Perhaps that's why there are so few GHits? --Charlene 12:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I dont think it does. I think it is known in Madrid as European Vibe Magazine. it is aimed at the English speaking community of madrid 14:34, 10 July 2007
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm confused. Nowhere on European Vibe's [http://www.europeanvibe.com/ official site] can I find any mention of a print magazine (although an online "magazine" is part of the site). Nor can I find any evidence elsewhere that there exists a magazine as described in the article—the worldpress.org reference included in the article identifies European Vibe as an "online entertainment portal." Are there any reliable sources that establish the offline existence of this thing? Because just as a Web site, it certainly doesn't look notable. Deor 03:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep I spoke to someone at European Vibe who says their designer is looking to upload to their site a new page with magazine stats, their media pack and distribution points. However, he said to me that all the articles from the printed magazine are available in .pdf from each section. They emailed me the media pack with stats, circulation etc. Did not think it was right to add to page as it contains advertising prices. I understand (from experience) that some of the universities give the magazine out in their welcome packs to students and the magazine has over 200 points of distribution across Madrid. The magazine will be launched in 3 more cities in Spain over the next few months. I think the magazine should stay as it is definitely growing and used as useful resource to English speakers in Madrid, and one of very few English language magazines in the Spanish capital. CREAD 11:23, 11 July 2007
• Question, does this magazine have an ISSN? John Vandenberg 12:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment They have a Deposito Legal which is what you require in Spain to print/publish a Magazine and are in the process of applying for a ISSN code. 14:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. This may become notable in the future, but at the moment a locally distributed free magazine with no secondary coverage in reliable sources seems to me to fail WP:N without question. Deor 13:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:*Comment if their original content has been republished as claimed, that should be sufficient for Notability, though I would like to see some cites to support this.

• Keep seems to be a legit publication with a non-trivial readership. Could use some clean-up to be more encyclopedic, but not delete worthy. Dhaluza 09:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I have checked and there are lots of forum conversations about the piece that 20 minutos picked up on and translated. Plus the online version of the 20 minutos article has a direct link saying they have seen this article from European Vibe Magazine CREAD 17:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:*Note. This is a second keep !vote by a single user. Deor 01:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:*Comment. Forum conversations are not reliable sources for WP purposes, nor are passing mentions in other publications. I'm not disputing the existence of this magazine; I just don't think it meets the criteria for notability. Deor 02:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

::* I don't think the source based Notability requirements are appropriate for this type of subject. If the magazine has a non-trivial readership, this is prima facia evidence of notability in the sense that people take notice. Dhaluza 11:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

• keep I'm familiar with this magazine, it's distributed around Madrid for the English speaking community. The problems with the links was probably an oversight or faux pas by whoever was editing the web page. StingerC 17:59, 14 July 2007 — User:stingerc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Wesk Keep The 20 Minutos (non-trivial Spanish newspaper) article may be considered a reliable source. [http://www.ruidos.org/Prensa/2007jun/070618_20Minutos.html].--Kylohk 14:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
• keep, based on the arguments of people personally knowledgeable about the magazine, and per sources now given - but guys, if you have knowledge of the magazine, it'd be swell if you could add even more to the article. I'd like to find out more about it. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 15:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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