Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fay McAlpine

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. Fails WP:PROF. As the artist, she also seems to fail WP:CREATIVE - no awards, and very limited coverage - not seeing anything beyond what's in the article, and the only possibly in-depth article on her ([https://www.pressreader.com/australia/north-south/20180312/283081299728480]) is paywalled and I cannot access it (I am also not even sure it is in-depth at all). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep: Her stamp designs are held in the national museum; she is a judge for a national award; these seem to satisfy notability. PamD 13:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Are the stamps there because of who is the artist or because the Museum collects all stamps? If the latter, it's like saying that having a book in a national library is sufficient for notability - but in fact national libraries have a duty to collect a copy of each book printed. Being a part of the most inclusive collection is a pretty low bar. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

::* The fact that the stamps are in the museum is indicative of the importance of stamp design so that having designed those stamps is indicative of notability. PamD 19:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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• Delete WP:TOOSOON Article does not meet WP:Creative. While she has stamps on exhibition, the museum looks like it has a sizeable collection of them. The article Great New Zealand designers you've never heard of is not available (PressReader which is where the link takes you has 0 results for the article. Also no results for an online search, no results searching within the magazine.) She is a judge at a media awards, but not a winner. Aurornisxui (talk) 23:30, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete one museum is not "several museums", as specified in WP:ARTIST. SIGCOV was not found in a search. GNG fail.

ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep When I open the link to the article 'Great New Zealand designers you've never heard of', I see in Press Reader the title of the article, date, author and journal (North & South), a Locked icon (ie the whole article is not shown), and the beginning of the section about Fay McAlpine, "A Wellington graphic designer whose passion for typography has influenced generations of y....". The complete article is not freely available, but the section on the subject of this Wikipedia article certainly exists, and even that fragment suggests that it goes towards meeting WP:CREATIVE #1, "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors". If this article is not kept, I would suggest Draftify - it is a very new article, which seems to have been created in mainspace by a new Wikipedian, who may well have access to sources which could substantiate the claims of notability. Please do not bite the newcomers RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
• I am fine with draftyfing (sp? :)). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
• Agree about draftifying. Aurornisxui (talk) 16:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:11, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

• Draftify, agree, as the article stands McAlpine doesnt appear to quite meet notability, a gsearch brings up other info like [http://www.poetrynz.net/current-issue/ joint designer of publications], [https://www.facebook.com/ISTDworldwide/posts/830593223685936 2014 joint tutor of the year] awarded by International Society of Typographic Designers, and [https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Fay+McAlpine+new+zealand&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOg6Tlp67fAhVL6Y8KHQf8CaIQsAR6BAgGEAE#imgrc=_&spf=1545305581781 a few pikkies] but stronger sources would be helpful. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
• Draftify as the article is brand new, maybe just needs work. Note the editor is also very new, just started editing last week and all of her articles have been challenged. Let's not bite the newbies. Got here from list of women-related AfD. valereee (talk) 14:32, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
• Draftify to give page creator time.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
• Draftify per the above. XOR'easter (talk) 17:26, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
• Draftify seems like a good choice, subject has won several awards and there are enough references to show some degree of notability. With additional references, I think she'd pass WP:GNG. Ifnord (talk) 11:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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