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Fails NCORP and GNG. None of the sources establish notability. It is routine press-release type coverage, or otherwise inclusion on lists. All local sources. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 17:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep per GNG. I've worked on dozens of articles about restaurants in Portland, and promoted approximately 25 of them to Good article status, so I have a sense of how much coverage is required for a decent Portland restaurant entry. I've reviewed current + unused external sourcing and believe there's sufficient secondary coverage to meet notability. Also, the passing "all local sources" is a bit dismissive when The Oregonian is the largest newspaper in Oregon and the second largest in the Pacific Northwest by circulation. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete appears to fail WP:NORG. SportingFlyer T·C 18:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)'

:*I still don't think the sources presented below pass WP:NORG, they're all local press release type coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 13:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep per reasoning of Another Believer and because there are additional sources available to expand the article. While some of it is press coverage, I disagree that it is all "routine press coverage" Mukedits (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

:*What do you think is significant, specifically? It all seems like either routine mentions (Guardian, LV Sun) or routine business news. SportingFlyer T·C 20:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

:::Maybe they're referring to its inclusion on the list of "16 worthy ice cream candidates that opened across the country over the past year or so". I don't know, it just seems like every chain in every city is 'notable' under these guidelines, and I don't think that's true. It's a Portland ice cream store. Is that enough? ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 16:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

::::Definitely not notable. The sources are just the typical puff pieces that every restaurant or local eatery puts out to their community. It has really no place in an encyclopedia. Convocke (talk) 08:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Keep. Do article sources satisfy WP:ORGCRIT for notability, and is there significant coverage to meet WP:AUD? Below in green are the notability guidelines that apply, and below those guidelines an analysis in table format with my notes. Completing the table is a useful exercise; I do apologize it takes up so much space, but I think it helps to clarify the quality of each source. I concluded several of the sources are not reliable enough to use, so will be editing then and related content out. Please note: while passing mentions do not contribute to notability, those sources are still okay to use for verifiability, Cheers! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Related guideline, WP:ORGCRIT:

{{tq2| Individual sources must be evaluated separately and independently of each other and meet the four criteria below to determine if a source qualifies towards establishing notability.

1. Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth.
2. Be completely independent of the article subject.
3. Meet the standard for being a reliable source.
4. Be a secondary source, primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability.

An individual source must meet all of these criteria to be counted towards establishing notability; each source needs to be significant, independent, reliable, and secondary. In addition, there must also be multiple such sources to establish notability. If the suitability of a source is in doubt, it is better to exercise caution and exclude the source for the purposes of establishing notability.}}

Related guideline, WP:AUD:

{{tq2|Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary.}}

: Comment: I've collapsed the assessment table below that is actually sourced to the guideline in WP:SIRS: {{tq|Individual sources must be evaluated separately and independently of each other and meet the four criteria below to determine if a source qualifies towards establishing notability.}} To summarize: nine sources meet the guideline, including four from The Oregonian, a statewide and regional source, and three are from Thrillist and Eater, both out of New York. Interested editors may want to read our articles on those organizations to verify they meet the {{tq|"strong indication of notability"}} criterion in the guideline. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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class=wikitable
Source || Significant? || Independent? || Reliable? || Secondary? || Pass/Fail || Notes
[https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2020/02/fifty-licks-ice-cream-northwest-portland.html Fifty Licks ice cream to open first west-side location this spring]	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	Statewide and regional source The Oregonian
[https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2011/06/portlands_best_new_food_carts.html Portland's best new food carts]	{{aye}} {{nay}} {{U|Reywas92}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}} {{nay}} {{U|Reywas92}}	Statewide and regional source The Oregonian
[https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2017/04/fifty_licks_opens_new_burnside.html Fifty Licks opens new Burnside location this Friday]	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	Statewide and regional source The Oregonian
[https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2013/03/bluebird_bakers_petunias_pies.html Bluebird Bakers, Petunia's Pies & Pastries and Fifty Licks set to make Portland a bit sweeter]	{{aye}} {{nay}} {{U|Reywas92}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}} {{nay}} {{U|Reywas92}}	Statewide and regional source The Oregonian
[https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/the-6-weirdest-ice-cream-flavors-that-work-20150629/strawberry-avocado-sherbet/ The Six Weirdest Ice Cream Flavors That Work].	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	Men's Journal, a subsidiary of A360media, (same media group as National Enquirer)
[https://www.eater.com/maps/the-16-hottest-ice-cream-shops-in-the-us-right-now The 16 Hottest Ice Cream Shops in the US Right Now]	{{aye}} {{nay}} {{U|Reywas92}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}} {{nay}} {{U|Reywas92}}	Eater (website) (Vox Media) National source
[https://pdx.eater.com/2020/2/20/21146232/fifty-licks-new-location-slabtown The Owner of Fifty Licks Will Base the Design of His New Scoop Shop on a Pair of Shoes]	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	Eater (website) (Vox Media) National source
[https://www.thrillist.com/eat/portland/clintondivision/fifty-licks-these-boozy-ice-cream-cocktails-are-everything-youve-ever-wanted These boozy ice cream cocktails are everything you've ever wanted]	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	Thrillist (Thrillist Media Group) National source
[https://www.pdxmonthly.com/eat-and-drink/2017/06/the-inside-scoop-on-fifty-licks-portland-s-suddenly-hot-ice-cream-shop The Inside Scoop on Fifty Licks, Portland's Suddenly Hot Ice Cream Shop]	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	Portland Monthly Local source
[https://www.pdxmonthly.com/eat-and-drink/2020/02/fifty-licks-is-coming-to-slabtown Fifty Licks Is Coming to Slabtown]	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	Portland Monthly Local source
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/20/occupy-ice-portland-protest-immigration-family-separations Occupy Ice: activists blockade Portland building over family separations]	{{nay}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	The Guardian is international, but passing mention only
[https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protesters-on-round-the-clock-vigil-at-portland-ice-facility/283-565742358 Portland ICE facility closed until 'there are no longer security concerns']	{{nay}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	KGW,) (NBC affiliate) Local, passing mention only
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/19/portland-multnomah-building-fire/ Portland protesters set fire inside county building as tensions continue to escalate]	{{nay}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	Washington Post National, but passing mention only
[https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/stars-shrill-express-love-hippest-places-77602933 Stars of 'Shrill' express love for the 'hippest of places']	{{nay}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	Associated Press, via ABC News, National, but passing mention only
[https://www.wweek.com/restaurants/2019/06/25/portland-ice-cream-shop-fifty-licks-is-raising-money-to-help-children-detained-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/ Portland Ice Cream Shop Fifty Licks Is Raising Money to Help Children Detained at the U.S.-Mexico Border]	{{nay}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{aye}}	{{nay}}	'Willamette Week'', Local, passing mention
colspan=5| Total qualifying sources || 6 || {{align|left|{{nobold|There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements. Other sources may still be used for verifiability.}}}}

Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:31, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Not notable. Also in the table above, a lot of those are to the same local paper and are just puff pieces for advertising in the community. This is an encyclopedia. Also can we get a hide on the above table? It is way to large and unnecessary. Convocke (talk) 08:49, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

: {{done}}. {{U|Convocke}}: Agreed, the table is large, but it's sourced from the relevant notability guideline. Sorry if it offends your aesthetic sensibilities — it's helpful in identifying not only the sources that fulfill notability, but also sources that are inappropriate, which I have excised along with related material from the article. BTW, "This is an encyclopedia" is not a cogent or relevant argument, just an obvious truism. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

:* Thanks for creating the table. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete A lot of the supposed coverage doesn't pass WP:CORPDEPTH as a routine announcement. Thrillist is pretty widespread. I read it on and off. Who doesn't. Looking at the article at [https://www.thrillist.com/eat/portland/clintondivision/fifty-licks-these-boozy-ice-cream-cocktails-are-everything-youve-ever-wanted These boozy ice cream cocktails are everything you've ever wanted]. It states at the bottom, By using BeOp, you agree to our Cookie Policy, you see that BeOp is an ad platform https://beop.io/en/. so that effectively means these are PR. It is a conversational ad. So sources are actually very waek and fail WP:NCORP. scope_creep^Talk 23:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

:: Comment {{U|scope_creep}}, It appears you may have been confused by the cookie policy for BeOp, an advertiser on the Thrillist site that posts an ad after the last sentence, "it's a solid bet that you'll make this place your regular stop". The BeOp ad is composed of click-bait questions and their cookie policy. However, Thrillist is published by Group Nine Media. The actual [https://www.groupninemedia.com/privacy Group Nine Media Privacy policy], and the [https://www.groupninemedia.com/tscs Gruop Nine Media Terms and conditions] that apply to the article are available all the way at the bottom of the Thrillist website. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete The above source analysis is a serious failure if it calls [https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2011/06/portlands_best_new_food_carts.html this], especially [https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2013/03/bluebird_bakers_petunias_pies.html this], and absurdly [https://www.eater.com/maps/the-16-hottest-ice-cream-shops-in-the-us-right-now this] significant coverage. Sources are routine local coverage of generic local restaurants, covering them as they do other typical restaurants. pdx.eater.com is a local source using a national site as its platform, and when a Portland-based newspaper covers local Portland businesses, that's also local, not exactly the sections folks in Medford are reading. Reywas92^Talk 00:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Meets WP:GNG and has significant coverage, with some in-depth such as [https://www.oregonlive.com/dining/2020/02/fifty-licks-ice-cream-northwest-portland.html THIS] and [https://www.pdxmonthly.com/eat-and-drink/2020/02/fifty-licks-is-coming-to-slabtown THIS]. Webmaster862 (talk) 09:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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• Comment: I added the input of {{U|Reywas92}} to the 3 assessment of sources table entries above, and I have removed 2 entries no longer cited in the article. Updated summary: six sources meet the notability guidelines, including two from The Oregonian, a statewide and regional source, two are from Thrillist and Eater, both out of New York, and two from Portland Monthly, a local source that contributes to notability. Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

:*As noted, the Eater site was local, and many of the "good" articles are simply "ice cream shop opens new location," which I don't think contribute to notability. SportingFlyer T·C 19:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

:*Thanks for updating. I respectfully disagree with SportingFlyer and continue to support keeping the article for continued development. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Delete, Dose not satisfy WP:NCORP , WP:GNG, Alex-h (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
• Delete Fails to meet the stricter criteria of WP:NCORP. The table can't be taken seriously either if it calls references like [https://pdx.eater.com/2020/2/20/21146232/fifty-licks-new-location-slabtown this interview with the owner] "independent". HighKing⁺⁺ 19:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

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