Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flemming Rule

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Another hopelessly malformed/WP:QUOTEFARMed stub, on another minor aspect of the (now-defunct) Aid to Families with Dependent Children (the creator already has another AFDC article under AfD -- see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Man out of the house (welfare rule)). No indication that this 'rule' merits a separate article. Sources cited are typically of low quality, and do not offer much in the way of "significant coverage" of the topic. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 06:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Delete but ensure material transferred to Aid to Families with Dependent Children - broader topic comes up under criticism. Babakathy (talk) 07:09, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

:*I'd suggest taking a close look at the reliability of the sources before transferring material. Only one source looks particularly reliable. And for that one source the "material" is simply a verbatim quotation of the article abstract. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 10:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

::*More sources have been added to the article, see below. Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:50, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

• Delete Not suffeciently notable for its own page.Deathlibrarian (talk) 13:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Notability is supposed to depend on available sources rather than the ones currently in the article - so I'm rather wondering whether anyone so far has looked at the GBooks results. On just the first page, [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ol7v7uMvBjEC&pg=PA52], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lsbSz2k13zYC&pg=PA19], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lHsYazwhXwgC&pg=PA129], [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eAfp3fK5Jz0C&pg=PA34] and [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J7wDGSfUTbUC&pg=PA160] all look like usable reliable sources. PWilkinson (talk) 02:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

:*The bar is generally set rather higher where the topic is a subtopic of an existing article, and thus where (if a moderate amount of additional sourcing is found) a subsection of that article would be more appropriate than a stub. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 05:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: I would say there is a good chance this article could be improved to where it makes sense to keep it. The Flemming rule is a notable concept,[http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ538116&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ538116][http://books.google.com/books?id=lsbSz2k13zYC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=%22Flemming+Rule%22&source=bl&ots=ZWDZeS1mc1&sig=MCMYenV3QXVCZR6lZOXYjfme2ks&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kpEdT5_zM8npggfV4P3sBw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22Flemming%20Rule%22&f=false][http://books.google.com/books?id=Ol7v7uMvBjEC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=%22Flemming+Rule%22&source=bl&ots=tImIWMXiCo&sig=UUic73AcBSc0zdqaqsRinaAl-QM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kpEdT5_zM8npggfV4P3sBw&ved=0CF0Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=%22Flemming%20Rule%22&f=false][http://books.google.com/books?id=lHsYazwhXwgC&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=%22Flemming+Rule%22&source=bl&ots=u5yHEcEdHi&sig=0riOxwuMIgRIgjynW39i6YAWOWY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=S5IdT6bXCsmLgwe277XmCw&ved=0CCEQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22Flemming%20Rule%22&f=false] not just a minor thing to mention within the discussion of AFDC. The article needs improvement however, perhaps a passing admin will consider relisting this discussion to allow improvement to occur in the next 7 days.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Clearly a "term of art" in the government welfare jargon. Others have specified many reliable sources here. A good start, but please add some of them to the article as inline citations.--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
• Comment - I've cleaned up/rewritten the article, removing copyvio problems in which prose was verbatim copy/pasted from sources. Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
• Comment - The following sources have been added to the article:

:*{{cite web | url=http://books.google.com/books?id=lsbSz2k13zYC&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=%22Flemming+Rule%22&source=bl&ots=ZWDZeS1mc1&sig=MCMYenV3QXVCZR6lZOXYjfme2ks&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kpEdT5_zM8npggfV4P3sBw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22Flemming%20Rule%22&f=false | title=Serving African American children: child welfare perspectives | publisher=New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Publishers | date=1999 | accessdate=January 23, 2012 |author1=Jackson, Sondra Jackson |author2=Brissett-Chapman, Sheryl }} {{ISBN|0765804344}}

:*{{cite book | url=https://archive.org/details/ethicsinamerican0000babb | url-access=registration | quote=Flemming Rule. | title=Ethics in American Adoption | publisher=Westport, Conn.: Bergin & Garvey | date=1999 | accessdate=January 23, 2012 | author=Babb, Linda Anne | pages=[https://archive.org/details/ethicsinamerican0000babb/page/51 51]-52}} {{ISBN|089789538X}}

:*{{cite web | url=http://books.google.com/books?id=lHsYazwhXwgC&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=%22Flemming+Rule%22&source=bl&ots=u5yHEcEdHi&sig=0riOxwuMIgRIgjynW39i6YAWOWY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=S5IdT6bXCsmLgwe277XmCw&ved=0CCEQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22Flemming%20Rule%22&f=false | title=The White welfare state : the racialization of U.S. welfare policy | publisher=Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press | date=2005 | accessdate=January 23, 2012 | author=Ward, Deborah E}} {{ISBN|0472114557}}

::{{mdash}}Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - An historical term and concept that has received significant coverage in reliable, tertiary book sources and journals. Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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