Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresh Kid Ice (2nd nomination)

The result was redirect to 2 Live Crew. (Non-admin closure) Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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I suggest the same result as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresh Kid Ice, a redirect to 2 Live Crew. This rapper has not received enough independent coverage in reliable sources and he never released any notable or charting solo albums. All the sources in the article are about the group rather than him. This article has been bloated beyond belief compared to the previous AfD version, but almost the whole article is about the group now. STATic message me! 16:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I do not suggest the same result as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresh Kid Ice, a redirect to 2 Live Crew. This rapper is part of Platinum selling group, discovered the current A-List rapper Flo Rida, he is the first Asian rapper on a Platinum selling Album. There is sufficient covering about him. And if we have to delete his page we would have to delete pages of Dj Yella, Mc Ren, other 2 Live Crew Members,Pete Best, (who didn't have great subsequent careers after their group) all underground artist, and so forth. If 2 Live Crew never had a Gold record or wasn't part of group that had a lot of coverage I may agree with the above user. User:Filmman3000 12:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

: The comparisons to DJ Yella, MC Ren or Pete Best are completely off as those subjects have been covered separately and have released notable solo albums. The group is most certainly notable, but notability is not inherited. STATic message me! 03:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

: Ok in that case go delete pages regarding The Wu Disciples La the Darkman, Shabazz the Disciple, GP Wu, Achozen, to name a few. I do not want to influence the deletion of their pages, but by the standards you are giving me they are to delete and should only have a short paragraph on the List of Wu-Tang Clan affiliates. User:Filmman3000 18:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

: Also the first thing I see on Notability Inherited Keep She once worked with someone famous – Keeper. The dude worked with Flo Rida, Insane Clown Posse, and even Vanilla Ice independently from 2 Live Crew.Filmman3000 (talk) 04:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2 Live Crew as in the previous AFD discussion. Eeekster (talk) 00:05, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 18:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (lecture) @ 21:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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:*I originally closed this a week ago as Redirect but at the time of closing I failed to spot Filmmans comment who now wants it relisted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Davey2010&diff=625435871&oldid=625169548] so to keep everyone sweet I've relisted for another week (God help me!). –Davey2010 • (talk) 21:32, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• Keep :*(This rapper is part of Platinum selling group, discovered the current A-List rapper Flo Rida, he is the first Asian rapper on a Platinum selling Album. And if we have to delete his page we would have to delete pages of artist who didn't have great subsequent careers after their group all underground artist, and so forth. Also in that case we would have to go delete pages regarding The Wu Disciples La the Darkman, Shabazz the Disciple, GP Wu, Achozen, to name a few. I do not want to influence the deletion of their pages, but by the standards StaticVapor is giving me they are to delete and should only have a short paragraph on the List of Wu-Tang Clan affiliates. I see on Notability Inherited Keep She once worked with someone famous – Keeper. The artist worked with Flo Rida, Insane Clown Posse, and even Vanilla Ice independently from 2 Live Crew. If 2 Live Crew never had a Gold record or wasn't part of group that had a lot of coverage I may agree with this other user.) Filmman3000 (talk) 23:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

• Delete:*(Having spent time researching and editing hip-hop artist pages, I feel qualified to share my two cents. Yes, as Filmman3000 pointed out, there are numerous hip-hop artists pages on Wikipedia that are likely not relevant enough to merit its own page. It is quite subjective to say whether a certain artist is relevant. The best way to solve the matter is to refer back to Wikipedia's guidelines for Notability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability). Which, in a nutshell require the subject to be referenced in numerous reliable sources and to be notable for more than one event. In the case of the Fresh Kid Ice article, the references cited are overwhelmingly dealing with either the 2 Live Crew as a group or Fresh Kid Ice's involvement with the 2 Live Crew. For this article to remain in Wikipedia, additional reliable sources need to be introduced that reference Fresh Kid Ice's biography outside of the 2 Live Crew.) Djrun (talk) 15:16, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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