Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel J. Chin

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This article does not meet WP:PROF notability criteria, afd stems from contested prod that has not shown improvement. Finalnight (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
• Keep About 150+ google book hits, [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Gabriel+Chin+arizona&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 356 google news hits], [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin recent NYT article] on his theory about McCain; pretty notable; think I'd heard of him already.John Z (talk) 21:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think the above google searches have a lot of false positives since the name was not put in quotation marks. A GoogleNews search for "Gabriel J. Chin" arizona give 12 hits [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Gabriel+J.+Chin%22+arizona&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8] and a GoogleNews search for "Gabriel Chin" arizona[http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Gabriel+Chin%22+arizona&btnG=Search+Archives&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8] gives 9 hits. A googbooks search for "Gabriel J. Chin" gives 104 hits [http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Gabriel+J.+Chin%22+&btnG=Search+Books]—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsk92 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 15 July, 2008 (UTC)

::On the other hand, as usual, quotes eliminate a lot of good ones. You're right that the 356 is exaggerated - but "Jack Chin" arizona gives [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22jack+Chin%22+arizona&sa=N&start=0 48 google news hits] - all good as far as I checked. Interestingly, none of them with McCain in them, he seems to have abandoned the nickname. True number is probably ca. 70. I got 150 gbooks by adding results from some likely variants. I meant above that I'd heard of the guy before the McCain argument coverage; as the above shows, he was frequently quoted as an expert before the recent upsurge.John Z (talk) 23:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

• Keep The guy may be spouting an unusually dubious idea, but it's gotten lots of coverage, so he's notable under general guidelines. Interestingly, WP:PROF doesn't include an exception for single-event people, like WP:ONEEVENT does. And he has indeed published an academic work that has attracted attention Ray Yang (talk) 22:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
• Absolute Keep - This nomination is borderline bad faith and abuse of the process.Awotter (talk) 14:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

: I wouldn't go that far. Were it not for his novel legal argument regarding the current election, he'd almost certainly fail. Given the conflicting guidelines regarding one-hit wonders between WP:ONEEVENT and WP:PROF, I'd say it was a legitimate nomination. That said, I do think it's an easy keep. People researching his position are going to wonder who the guy is, and his paper has certainly caused that stir. RayAYang (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:Amusing to see someone who is assuming bad faith accusing someone else of assuming bad faith. Its quite simple, I saw an article that did not have any reliable sources or claims to notability and nominated it. I didn't even notice what the subject of the article is talking about, I just look at the structure of the article and apply the community guidelines to it. I am not sure how I was "abusing the process".--Finalnight (talk) 20:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The newscoverage of him is fairly substantial and it is not limited to the McCain episode. There are also news-stories from 2002-2004 (see the GoogleNews results above). GoogleBooks results are also substantial [http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Gabriel+J.+Chin%22+&btnG=Search+Books] - 104 hits. Also, he holds a named chair appointment at the University of Arizona (Chester H. Smith Professor of Law). Having a named chair appointment at a major university is a very reliable indicator of academic notability. Passes WP:ACADEMIC. Nsk92 (talk) 03:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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