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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaijin Sounds

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Japanzine. I'll redirect, editors are free to merge verifiable material. Non-admin closure. Jujutacular T · C 08:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

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Prod contested with the rationale, Gaijin Sounds is a national competition for all foreign musicians in Japan, over 2 million people. Of major cultural significance within the arts culture of the community. Problem is, Google doesn't seem to be able to back up that assertion. Even 外人サウンド doesn't return much more than false positives. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:51, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

  • At first glance, I'm finding very little about this that's not directly associated with the magazine that sponsors it or SeekJapan, which I believe is associated with the magazine (though I could be wrong here). I would expect more in English than Japanese, though, as the sponsoring magazine is in English. Will keep looking, but at the moment it seems a rather minor event. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:10, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CTJF83 chat 01:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete It just seems to be a promotion of a small magazine/website in Japan. The article itself takes references from the website that owns/promotes the event. If [http://www.seekjapan.jp/ seekjapan.jp] or [http://www.seekjapan.jp/japanzine Japanzine] was notable enough to have their own articles, I could see them being a part of those articles. However, I don't see any reason to think that either seekjapan.jp or Japanzine are notable enough for Wikipedia. As it stands, it just seems to be a promotion for a local (the English speaking expat community in Japan that this event caters to is not that large) magazine's music competition, neither of which are notable as defined by Wikipedia. XinJeisan (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Er, arguing notability from absence of an article is dubious at best, especially when dealing with culture and literature of non-English-speaking countries -- Wikipedia has massive holes in those areas. Which is not to say anything one way or another about whether the magazine or website are indeed notable, but claim they aren't for this reason is not a good idea. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
  • But, these magazines and contest are geared towards the foreign community in Japan. Even the name itself states that. The competition itself does not allow a band that is all Japanese. seekjapan.jp does not have a Japanese version of its website, the [http://www.seekjapan.jp/article/jz/2633/Gaijin+Sounds+2010+-+Call+For+Submissions rules] for submission does not have a link to a Japanese version, etc. As said above, if you look up "外人サウンド" on google, it comes up with a few pages of hits, only a few of which directly relate to this event. Looking up ”外人サウンズ” comes up with one [http://mikebassmusic.blogspot.com/2008/06/japanzine-japanzine.html blog post] from 2008. I don't know about Sam and Dave's in Osaka, but What the Dickens is a pretty well known expat bar in Tokyo. I think that an event that seems to be marketed towards English speakers should be able to be sourced in English for the event to be notable. If not, it should have links to the vernacular, in this case, Japanese language sources or easily found Japanese langauge sources. I don't want to be harsh and just say delete, or that google is the only way to find notability, but, for a fairly new event, you would think if it was important even to the Japan-expat/english speaking community, it would have more visibility in English or Japanese. I am just saying that there would be a case to merge this article into an article about seekjapan.jp or Japanzine, but, neither of those have a page, and, as far as I can see, there is no reason for them to, as well.XinJeisan (talk) 23:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::Just so you know, Japanzine has an article. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 01:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:::oops XinJeisan (talk) 04:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

  • I haven't found anything substantive outside of first-party references, just stray mentions, and not enough of them to suggest this is a notable event. Unless someone comes forward with something, it's delete for not passing WP:N. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite 01:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Merge (and then Redirect) to Japanzine. The article on Japanzine already contains most of the information in this article, just a little less detail. The references provided above probably warrant inclusion in another article, and Japanzine is the logical place for it. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 02:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'll change my opinion then to Merge (and then Redirect) to Japanzine per Lear's Fool and my own argument above. XinJeisan (talk) 04:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:: A merge to Japanzine would be acceptable. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.