Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgian republics

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These lists are anachronistic and unnotable conjunctures compiled by one (now indeffed) editor. The states included are all historical states (aside of course from the current Georgia) selected because they were in the area that Georgia is now, and fit in a certain historical narrative (note for example that the Kingdom of Abkhazia has been changed with a pipelink to a Georgian language name). The political differences are quite arbitrary, especially considering these lists span hundreds of years. Even if they were all in one list, that list would remain just a choice picking of a variety of discontinuous historical states to prove some modern political point. CMD (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• Delete, History of Georgia (country) is good enough to cover this topic without any original research.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:53, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

• Merge all as List of predecessor states of Georgia (country) or some such name. Since the states will have had rulers with titles in local languages, the translation as "dukes", "princes", etc. is probably a matter of opinion. I do not accept that History of Georgia (country) is adequate byu itself. A list article will serve to pick up all the historical articles and can be converted to a table which will provide a quick outline of what states existed and at what periods. This is likely to be useful as a navigation tool. We certainly do not need any of the present list articles, which provide no useable information, except that an article exists. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

::Merging doesn't deal with the issue that this list exists for a political point. There is no historical lineage (the kind that would make a state a predecessor) connecting most of these states to Georgia (the exception perhaps being the post-WWI republic, although it was absorbed into the USSR, which isn't listed in any of these lists), and none of them followed the modern political boundaries. Two arbitrarily linked factors determine this list. 1) The state was independent 2) The state was more or less centred in any territory that makes up today's Georgia. Taking a bunch of separate states (although some were connected amongst themselves) and putting them in a list, excluding many of the other entities that existed around the area and deliberately skipping large chunks of history is not useful navigation. CMD (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NativeForeigner ^Talk 23:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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• Merge A list or timeline of states sharing a geographical area seems a reasonable list, a valid way of summarising the political history of the area now occupied by Georgia. It would complement Outline of Georgia (country)#History of Georgia, which currently contains nothing except a link to History of Georgia (country). The list could include larger entities like the USSR, etc. I don't think it's helpful to accuse people of trying to make political points, and we should focus on the merits of the articles and how they could be improved. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
• A list of states sharing this geographical area would be much more expansive than this list, including for example the Soviet Union, the Ottoman Empire, the Kingdom of Armenia (antiquity), the Safavid dynasty, among many many others. It would be massive, and I don't think it would be that useful as a navigation tool. However, if a list of states is the preferred option, I suggest a list of states in the Caucasus in general, not just one modern entity, would be a better topic. CMD (talk) 13:37, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - If you start clicking on the links within each list, you will see that these lists are navigational devices. I agree that a merge to a single big list with a universal name is appropriate if someone wants to take that on. Carrite (talk) 01:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect all to List of historical states of Georgia, which includes many or most of the states on these four individual lists, and fulfills a similar function. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
• Merge/redirect all to List of historical states of Georgia. That is the sort of article that I was looking for in my previous merge vote above. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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