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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginta Toramizu

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to MÄR#Plot. After being open nearly 4 weeks there is more consensus for redirect than any other option. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 02:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. PS. Instead of deleting this, a WP:SOFTDEL alternative I encourage the closer to consider is to redirect this to List of MÄR characters." It was deprodded by User:CandyScythe with the following rationale "PROD is not appropriate. WP:BEFORE Should instead be salvaged and merged to the list article.". I am unsure what they mean by invoking BEFORE, since mine was mentioned and resulted in zero usable sources. Given the woeful state of the article (pure plot summary with a single footnote to a 404 review of a manga volume) I stand by my view that redirect is the best SOFTDEL option, and that there is nothing to merge. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:08, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. BEFORE does not only mean searching sources. I was referring to C4: {{tq| the topic is not important enough to merit an article on its own, consider merging or redirecting to an existing article.}} Best, CandyScythe (talk) 01:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

::Well, I suggested redirect in my PROD already. I fear there's nothing to merge, as explained above. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Comment Wayback machine seems to [https://web.archive.org/web/20180206105943/http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/04/24/mar-vol-12-review confirm] the dead link is summarized reasonably accurately. Jclemens (talk) 03:54, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :Thanks. I'll clarify that this (rather short) review of manga's 12th volume mentions the protagonist in a single sentence (a passing mention). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Redirect to MÄR per Wikipedia:A&M/CHARACTER as this character article lacks real world coverage. If this is kept, then it needs to be overhauled to avoid a fan bias and the fictional accounts should be cited. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:09, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Merge to List of MÄR characters#Ginta Toramizu; the coverage from the article does not meet WP:GNG, though its content may be useful to expand the character list entry. Link20XX (talk) 05:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Just a note: if List of MÄR characters gets redirected or merged, then I would vote for redirecting to MÄR instead. Link20XX (talk) 03:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep or merge with his section at List of MÄR characters in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 23:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete - Why does List of MÄR characters even exist? This is a franchise of dubious notability that lasted about 5 years. Nobody is going to search for this stuff. This is why FANDOM exists. Dronebogus (talk) 10:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
  • This information was compiled before the FANDOM was made. I also noticed you did started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of MÄR characters. --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
  • :@Rtkat3 Just a friendly notice from someone who respects both of you: may I suggest WP:REFACTORing the word retaliation above? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
  • {{reply to|Dronebogus}} I believe the main series is definitely notable since I found [https://web.archive.org/web/20121024225944/http://www.mania.com/mar-marchen-awakens-romance-vol-1_article_80547.html some] [http://web.archive.org/web/20081010204620/http://www.mangalife.com/reviews/MRv11.htm good] [https://web.archive.org/web/20130926152012/http://activeanime.com/html/2007/06/10/mar-vol-1-gateway-to-mar-advance-review/ reviews] for the series in series listed at WP:ANIME/RS (even one in [https://www.manga-news.com/index.php/manga/critique/Mar/vol-1 French] and in the print publication Manga: The Complete Guide by Jason Thompson). Regarding {{green|Nobody is going to search for this stuff}}, while I certainly don't deny that this series is quite old and obscure, that doesn't mean the series is not notable (see WP:OBSCURE). After all, no one outside of a few fans knows about The Heart of Thomas or Kaze to Ki no Uta, yet both of these are featured articles and most definitely notable. Link20XX (talk) 04:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fancruft. Stifle (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Modussiccandi (talk) 15:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

  • Delete The list of characters is headed for deletion too. WP:TNT threshold has been reached even if this character was notable, it has nothing usable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: Reslisting. List of MÄR characters has been converted to a redirect so it is not possible for a redirect or merge to this page. Is there another target page that has any support or is this headed toward deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: Final relist. I think a redirect would be an acceptable compromise but I don't see a consensus for it yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Redirect to MÄR#Plot, which provides more information on him than any of the article's sections. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.