Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Girls with guns (2nd nomination)

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No sources are given that this is an actual genre. Would "men with guns", "girls with knives", etc, be genres, too? 331dot (talk) 16:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I further don't think the situation has improved any in the about two years since this was nominated previously. 331dot (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Comment. Yes, it's a real genre: [http://www.cleveland.com/movies/index.ssf/2013/08/25_movies_with_bad_girls_and_b.html], [http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=139710], [http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,284510,00.html], [http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306871,00.html], [http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/03/zack-snyder-superman-sucker-punch-amy-adams.html], [http://articles.latimes.com/2003/sep/07/entertainment/ca-chute7]. I'm ambivalent about keeping the article. If people need a merge target, I would suggest exploitation film, where it can probably be summed up in two sentences. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:57, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep Nominator... this is a real genre. WP:BEFORE? [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Girls+with+guns%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&q=%22Girls+with+guns+genre%22&pbx=1&oq=%22Girls+with+guns+genre%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3431l3431l0l3655l1l1l0l0l0l0l217l217l2-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=4d2706869ddb790e&biw=939&bih=533]... AND

:Republican-American : Girls with Guns: Female Action Heroes...

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::COYOTE RAGTIME SHOW falls into the "Girls with Guns" genre. Sexy robot assassins tangle with two hot federal agents in a prison break that leaves dozens ..."

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::"Nonstop action, super-smooth animation and cool character designs help Coyote Ragtime Show set a new high water mark for the Girls with Guns genre. ..."

:activeanime.com, EL CAZADOR DE LA BRUJA COMPLETE SERIES

:activeanime.com - Jan 31, 2010

::"It helps set El Cazador apart and demonstrates that it is setting its own unique tone to the girls-with-guns genre. During their travels, many episodes are ..."

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::"Though they might not have been the first, Yuri and Kei soon became the poster children for the girls-with-guns genre, and their success allowed for other ..."

:activeanime.com ROSE HIP ROSE VOL.1 Rose, Hip, Manga,...

::activeanime.com - May 13, 2008

::.. "high school girl and a host of insane criminals and make it work so flawlessly. Highly recommended to action fans and fans of the girls with guns genre!"

:Rumble Pak - Shelf Life - Anime News Network

:Anime News Network - Jan 21, 2008

::"Part of the girls-with-guns genre, the series packs pure action with a lot of emotion, and raises a lot of moral questions regarding childhood and human ..."

:And there are more. Needing editorial attention is rarely cause to delete a notable topic. We do well to not personally declare a sourcable genre non-existent when so many actual sources treat it as an actual genre. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 08:10, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

:I did review the article first; I started this page after looking at the talk page. I did not "declare a sourceable genre non-existent", I stated that more sources were needed and not given in two years. Something should be done. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Keep As I pointed out in the previous AFD [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Girls_with_guns] reliable sources refer to this as a genre. And whether you believe the article has improved or not since last time, is not a valid reason to delete. Obviously this is a real thing, and it gets ample coverage. Dream Focus 08:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

:An article with much unsourced content little improved in two years is a valid reason to do something, it shouldn't languish unnecessarily. Adding the sources you put on this page to the article would be an excellent start. As such I withdraw my proposal. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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