Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goro Maki

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User talk:GojiraFan1954 has lately been going on a (metaphorical) killing spree by rushing to create as many articles as they can before they're properly ready -- but this one may be the worst yet. An article for the character Goro Maki has no notability due to no significant coverage from secondary or third-party sources, relies on WP:OR, WP:SYN, and is mostly driven by WP:FAN. In short, it's an article that has no reason to exist. GojiraFan1954 is treating Wikipedia as if it's a Wikia fan page. Armegon (talk) 20:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:Comment - I am telling you, I would never treat Wikipedia like its a so-called "Wikia fan page", I only make articles on characters that are iconic, and if I don't find enough evidence of the iconic articles, then I don't select the said character for a Wikipedia article, by the sounds of this AFD, it doesn't just seem to be an WP:IDONTLIKEIT, it's an WP:IDONTLIKEWHOCREATEDIT. That's my conclusion. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::I have to agree; I would suggest the nom try and be a bit more respectful, especially since GojiraFan is a relatively new user still learning the ropes. Remember to assume good faith in cases like these.

::That being said, I do also feel that the subjects you've written so far aren't really clearly illustrating why they're meeting independent notability. Articles need strong citations from secondary sources to back up if they're independently notable or not.

::Using Maki here as an example, you say he's iconic, and yet the only two citations in the article are a fan theory briefly mentioned in a single article and a Screen Rant citation, which is considered to be something not very helpful for notability due to content farm reasons per Wikipedia:VALNET. For a subject like this, I'd expect at least a few strong citations that act as Wikipedia:Significant coverage of the subject, such as a source analyzing his role in the series or an article discussing his popularity in depth.

::You clearly seem passionate about this and have a grasp on the process already, but I do suggest familiarizing yourself with what Wikipedia considers helpful for illustrating independent notability, as well as general policies for this topic. Examples include Wikipedia:GNG, Wikipedia:SIGCOV (Which I have already linked above), and scattered discussions across the site on fictional character notability. If you want help or pointers, I'd be happy to help with anything you need. Let me know if you need clarification on anything I said above. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:::{{ping|GojiraFan1954}} Apologies if I sounded aggressive, or disrespectful even. I was trying to stress how some of your recent articles seem more in line with a Wikia Fan's article than a Wiki article. But I could've phrased it better. I also offer my help, should you need it. My Talk page is always open. Armegon (talk) 23:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::::As a response from this AFD, I'm giving out my consent that this article should be draftified in my sandbox. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:Redirect to Son of Godzilla, his first appearance, as an AtD. I agree with everything in the nom regarding this article in particular, and that this character doesn't really have independent notability from any of his appearances. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::I support Userfy per GojiraFan below. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:Comment Putting the article into user space to let it incubate may be a good idea and GojiraFan can reintroduce the article if cleanup can be accomplished. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::So draftify in my sandbox is the answer? GojiraFan1954 (talk) 22:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:::I think it's generally a good idea to work on a new article in draft user space it it's unclear if notability can be immediately established. Of course, if notability can't eventually be established, it might be deleted there too, but I think there is less pressure as long as the user aims to develop the article. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::::If thats the case, I'll go for draftify in my sandbox GojiraFan1954 (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::::@Royal Autumn Crest, I'll give you the consensus to moving it to GojiraFan1954/sandbox/Goro Maki and I'll keep on working on the article until its ready for mainspace. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 23:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Userfy as suggested. Right now, the three sources are not reliable, but maybe they can find more. Bearian (talk) 02:49, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Userfy - The fact that none of the references included in the article are significant coverage from reliable sources means that this was nowhere near ready for main space. On top of that, none of these three separate characters that share the name in the franchise actually have enough notability to pass the WP:GNG. While I am not opposed to allowing this to go back into draft space as an WP:ATD for now, the fact that my own searches for sources are not turning up any significant coverage in reliable sources and the Japanese Wikipedia does not have an article on any of the three characters to help draw non-English sources from, I honestly doubt this will ever be an appropriate article for the main space. Rorshacma (talk) 06:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:*Delete - After seeing ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ's comment and the relisting statement, I'm going to go ahead and switch to Delete. When I just argued that it will never be an appropriate topic for the mainspace, userfying it really does not make a lot of sense. Rorshacma (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete If it's not notable, it's not notable - there have not been any sources presented that indicates it passes WP:GNG. There is no need for giving the creator false hope that it will be restored as an article only to be let down even heavier if it's not accepted. It's better to rip the Band-Aid off and encourage them to put their efforts towards creating or improving notable articles instead, of which I am sure they can find one to work on since there is plenty of work to be done in this subject area. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Right now this could be closed with a result to userfy, but even those supporting that seem to have serious doubts that it will ever be an appropriate mainspace page, so that probably needs further discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways (talk) 23:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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