Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Mathews (American football)

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First, Matthews has not played in a regular season game in professional league and does not pass WP:NGRIDIRON. Second, he has not received national press coverage or won an award that would qualify under WP:NCOLLATH. Third, he has not been the subject of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. This is an article that was created siin good faith about a college football who appeared to have great potential but simply never emerged as a truly notable player. Cbl62 (talk) 23:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Keep I am the article creator. Ex-post, my time might have been better spent on other subjects, but I still think this passes WP:GNG.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

::As a Michigan football follower, I've nominated this with reluctance (as well as a couple others), but I'm just not seeing the coverage that would cause Matthews to pass GNG. Happy to reconsider if such coverage can be located. Cbl62 (talk) 23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

::: Based on Tony's comment, I checked the Michigan football statistics archive [http://statsarchive.ath.umich.edu/VS-Football/footstart.php here] to see if there was information that would cause me to reconsider. The data actually tends to confirm my original opinion on Mathews' lack of notability. He never had a 100-yard receiving or multiple touchdown game, had a grand total of six touchdowns over four seasons, never received any All-American, All-Big 10, or even team honors, and accumulated only 409 receiving yards in his best season at Michigan. Cbl62 (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

:::: Just to confirm, Cbl: the subject was lining up at wide receiver, not tight end, for four years, right? Is this a WP:NHSPHSATH situation, where the subject got a lot of recruiting hype coverage pre-college and notability was based primarily on his high school career? If so, possible application of the general notability guidelines regarding his high school career is superseded by the tougher standards for high school athletes per WP:NHSPHSATH. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:02, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

::::: My understanding, confirmed by his Mgoblue bio, is that Mathews played principally at the wide receiver position, not at tight end. Don't know anything about his high school career, but I'm not finding sufficient coverage of any kind to satisfy GNG. Willing to reconsider if such coverage can be found. Cbl62 (talk) 00:18, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Cbl62 (talk) 23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Delete A web search didn't turn up anything that would make him notable per WP:GNG, although I may have missed something given how common the name Greg Mathews is and how much WP:ROUTINE coverage there is of his college games. I would reconsider if other sources turn up. --Ahecht (TALK
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• Delete lacks in depth coverage necessary for WP:GNG and current does not satisfy WP:NGRIDIRON.-- danntm ^T _C 18:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
• Delete, with caveat. Subject does not satisfy the specific notability guideline for college athletes per WP:NCOLLATH (no major awards or records), so must satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources for inclusion. I have tried three times to sort through Google keyword searches for "'Greg Mathews' 'Michigan football'" and the like. As a recruit and a former member of one of the most storied college football programs, subject did receive a large amount of trivial mentions and WP:ROUTINE coverage. There is also a fair amount of ROUTINE coverage of his high school career in Orlando area newspapers, but it does not rise to the standard of WP:NHSPHSATH. What I am not finding is significant coverage in mainstream sports and news publications, i.e. more than recruiting websites or two or three random sentences in post-game coverage, but there is a lot of clutter through which to sort. If someone can show me two or three feature articles about the subject from mainstream publications (i.e. not blogs, not recruiting services, not fansites, etc.), I would reconsider. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:44, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

:: I took a look at on-line sources before nominating and could not find much in the way of significant coverage. The best I found was a couple pieces, both local coverage, from The Ann Arbor News [http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/football/index.ssf/2008/08/mathews_makes_quick_ascent_of.html here] and [http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigans-zoltan-mesko-greg-mathews-hoping-for-nfl-draft-calls/ here]. I also searched the archives of The Detroit News [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=keyword&s_search_type=keyword&p_product=DTNB&p_theme=gannett&s_site=detnews here] and the Detroit Free Press [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/freep/results.html?st=advanced&QryTxt=%22greg+mathews%22&sortby=RELEVANCE&datetype=0&frommonth=01&fromday=01&fromyear=1999&tomonth=09&today=19&toyear=2014&By=&Title=&type=current&start=10 here] and found no feature stories on Mathews. If more and better coverage can be found, I'd reconsider as well. Cbl62 (talk) 20:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Delete same reasons as others.--Yankees10 03:14, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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