Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamilton McWhorter III

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DoesDid not satisfy military notability guidelines, because not awarded Medal of Honor or promoted to flag rank. Does not satisfy general notability guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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• Keep aces, especially multiple aces are notable. Mztourist (talk) 02:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. First navy ace. First navy double-aces. A huge amount of sources on him, even an [https://www.amazon.com/First-Hellcat-Ace-Hamilton-McWhorter/dp/0935553681 entire book]. Vici Vidi (talk) 08:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. A search shows plenty of independent sources that discuss the subject in depth. Aymatth2 (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• WP:Snow Speedy Keep. First navy ace. First navy double-aces. Meets WP:GNG. WP:HEY. Article has been improved [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hamilton_McWhorter_III&oldid=968857489 since nomination]. Proving WP:Before ignored. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:23, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Keep WP:SNOW WP:PILEON Ouch! WP:BEFORE yields a notable WWII Ace.

:#[https://newspaperarchive.com/long-beach-independent-jan-13-1947-p-16/ permanent citation for the Gold Star] 1947 Long Beach Independent from the Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal he received a "permanent citation for a Gold Star in lieu of a third Air Medal." for meritorious achievement in arial flight against Japanese forces..."January 13, 1947

:#Given Command of the VF-12, [https://newspaperarchive.com/jacksonville-jax-air-news-dec-03-1953-p-5/ calls him a "WWII Ace] with 12 enemy planes to his credit" in the Jacksonville Jax Air News December 3, 1953

:#The Navy declared him a WWII Ace [https://newspaperarchive.com/tucson-daily-citizen-feb-24-1945-p-10/ in 1945 published] in the Tucson Daily Citizen February 24, 1945 Lightburst (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

• KEEP The article was massively improved [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hamilton_McWhorter_III&type=revision&diff=968960870&oldid=968925462&diffmode=source], and for the reasons others have mentioned. Clearly notable in his field. Dream Focus 15:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• Withdraw nomination - The current article and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hamilton_McWhorter_III&oldid=968857489 the article that was nominated for deletion] are two entirely different articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
• Weak keep on the presumption that being an air ace is enough, but many of the sources used in this article are dubious. What, for example, makes acepilots.com, Honor365.org or ussessex.org reliable? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:Reply. Whatever the basis for this observation, they are redundant sources. For example, they corroborate this magazine article {{cite news |last1=Dorr |first1=Robert F. |title=Sharp Shooting Hellcat "Mac" McWhorter Runs Up the Score |url=http://dl.magazinedl.com/magazinedl/Flight%20Journal/2019/Flight%20Journal%20-%20WWII%20Air%20War%202019(magazinedl.com).pdf |access-date=22 July 2020 |work=Flight Journal |date=21 October 2019}} and the books and multiple other sources.

Here are the cited books:

• {{cite book |last1=Cleaver |first1=Thomas McKelvey |title=Pacific Thunder: The US Navy's Central Pacific Campaign August 1943 – October 1944 |date=2017 |publisher=Osprey Publishing |location=Oxford UK |isbn=9781472821843 |page=79 |url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Pacific_Thunder/hMA2DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hamilton+mcwhorter+iii+university+of+georgia&pg=PA79&printsec=frontcover |access-date=23 July 2020 }}
• {{cite book |last1=Cleaver |first1=Thomas McKelvey |title=Tidal Wave: From Leyte Gulf to Tokyo Bay |date=2018 |publisher=Osprey Publishing |location=Oxford UK |isbn=9781472825476 |page=137 |url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tidal_Wave/-gpODwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=The+First+Hellcat+Ace+double+ace&pg=PA137&printsec=frontcover |access-date=22 July 2020}}
• {{cite book |last1=Danilov |first1=Victor |title=Hall of Fame Museums |date=November 30, 1997 |year=1997|publisher=Greenwood Press |location=Westport, Connecticut |isbn=978-0313300004 |page=159 |edition=1st |url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hall_of_Fame_Museums/VUO_J0YzpP0C }}
• {{cite book |last1=Toliver |first1=Raymond F. |last2=Constable |first2=Trevor J |title=Fighter Aces of the U.S.A. |publisher=Aero Publishers, Inc. |location=Fallbrook, California |year=1979 |isbn=0-8168-5792-X |page=385 }} Library of Congress card number 79-53300
• {{cite book |last1=Young |first1=Edward M. |title=F6F Hellcat Aces of VF-9 |date=18 March 2014 |publisher=Osprey Publishing |location=Oxford, United Kingdom |isbn=978-1782003359 |page=43 |edition=Aircraft of the Aces (Book 119) |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=04WlCwAAQBAJ&q=The+First+Hellcat+Ace+double+ace&pg=PA43 |access-date=22 July 2020 }}
  

Read them. The sourcing issue is illusory. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

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