Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harald Malmgren

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Despite several request for the author(s) to provide reliable and robust references, none have been forthcoming. Author(s) have twice removed speedy delete tags and have been involved in "ad hominen" arguments (abuse?) against me. I see no evidence from the refs that this person has done any of the things claimed. All that they seem to establish is that he was awarded a D.Phil and has written books. A similar criticism might be aimed at the article of Pippa Malmgren his alleged daughter. There are many promises of references to come but none materialise. Signally failes to meet requirements of biographies of living persons  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   19:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

:: I'm curious about this abuse. Do you mean when I called you out about lying on the articles talk page? The only abuse I've seen is where you accused good faith editors of a "Walter Mitty type hoax". It's also interesting that you only mention the afd on my talk page and not that of the other main contributors to the article. You may not like it, but editors are allowed to remove speedy delete tags per WP:SPEEDY Suppafly (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Keep Plenty of sources in the article and are easily verified using the Find sources links above. Suppafly (talk) 20:08, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
• Delete. He does not appear to be a hoax, but merely a mid-level government trade negotiator[http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1989/05/08/71948/index.htm] ([https://books.google.ca/books?id=DcHcAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1242&lpg=PA1242&dq=Harald+Malmgren+presidential+advisor&source=bl&ots=EoLUTtLgP3&sig=f8z4KcJsIkKFwovsWOV0fHOxQr0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3WAkVeK1O9PnoASZ94HQDQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=Harald%20Malmgren%20presidential%20advisor&f=false "one of two Deputy Special Representatives for Trade Negotiations"] during the Nixon administration), writer,[http://www.foreignaffairs.com/author/harald-b-malmgren] and businessman. The book [https://books.google.ca/books?id=7f4Skkf13U0C&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=Harald+Malmgren&source=bl&ots=SQJhZ1QyjV&sig=Tkuj1Vaz-AFxjC_rcDr--p9UDLc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=S18kVdXvA6a0sATFwoC4AQ&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAjgo#v=onepage&q=Harald%20Malmgren&f=false Agents of Influence] paints him as an influence peddler, but I'm not sure how much credence we can give to the author. A [https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1974CANBER00570_b.html Wikilinks document] identifies him as "Ambassador Harald Malmgren", but a [http://www.state.gov/1997-2001-NOPDFS/about_state/history/Vol_IX/316_330.html government document] states that "The Deputy Special Representative for Trade Negotiations, resident in Geneva, is a Foreign Service Officer with the rank of Ambassador", so that doesn't qualify as notability (not that being a real ambassador does in most cases either). Unless there's some source backing the claim that he was a senior advisor to several U.S. presidents, he doesn't satisfy WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

::comment I would like to point out that the Office of the United States Trade Representative is part the Executive Office of The President [https://ustr.gov/about-us/history USTR history], not a mid-level government operation. When researched, it is apparent that Malmgren was heavily involved during the expansion of the STR (the name of the agency changed during this time, so he was U.S. Deputy Special Representative for Trade negotiations, which is the equivalent of what [https://ustr.gov/about-us/biographies-key-officials/ambassador-michael-punke-deputy-ustr Michael Punke] and [https://ustr.gov/about-us/biographies-key-officials/ambassador-robert-holleyman-deputy-ustr Robert Holleyman] are today, in the Executive office.) Having the sole responsibility of preparing a new trade round during this time [https://books.google.com/books?id=4uereCi7-SMC&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=william+R+pearce+deputy+trade+representative&source=bl&ots=7V5CdO7NI3&sig=Er89UhuYVMPZ1kesfepXcW9Qduk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mXwsVfvyM4WggwTX64DIBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=malmgren&f=false] does not seem inconsequential, thus I doubt this sort of involvement is mid-level by any means. These top-level positions all grant the official and lifelong title of Ambassador. Viivivaike (talk) 02:42, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. The original complaint was that the article was not properly cited or formatted. Comparing the original version with the current one indicates that a lot of progress has been made to improve both. I found a source from [http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a7jkfvQ1sdxE Bloomberg] citing his work with Presidents Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy.

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• Strong keep-Working with all those presidents comes across as a very notable guy right away IMO. Wgolf (talk) 19:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

::Comment - if true, I would agree, but at present we have no evidence that this is so. I can assert truthfully that my advice has changed government policy on some critical environmental issues and I have therefore advised Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair. However, I can be quite certain that neither of those two individuals would have any recollection of me, not least because I have never met either of them - but I have been an adviser to them. In the absence of clear evidence, I believe we must be very circumspect about claims such as these . Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   23:06, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - First, let's begin with the fact that he's in the [http://cisupa.proquest.com/ksc_assets/catalog/2310.pdf Nixon Files], [http://www.nixonlibrary.gov/thelife/apolitician/thepresident/officialsofadministration.php], he is a founding member of [http://www.diplomaten.eu/en/news/details/gruendungsmitglied-botschafter-dr-harald-malmgren.html Diplomats International], which credits the title. In Pieces of History The Life and Career of John. J. Harter, Harter, a former influential diplomat who was involved with the Kennedy round, while talking about the transition from the Johnson period to the Nixon administration, mentions: "As I understand it, Lyndon Johnson, perceiving no clear initiatives on overall trade policy from his principal advisors, asked Bill Roth, who succeeded Herter as head of STR, to prepare a report on the world trading system. Roth apparently wanted to indicate possible future directions to the incoming Nixon administration and he depended heavily on a young man named Harald Malmgren to help him develop that report. Hal had been on of McNamara's "Whiz Kids" at the Pentagon, and he came to STR to work on agricultural trade matters. In 1968 ND 1969 he represented the United States at a series of GATT meetings seeking to project a GATT agenda for the 1970s...During my last two years in Geneva I basically served as Hal's man on the spot. Of course, that put me in a delicate position because Henry and Herb — rather than Hal — were officially the principal U.S. representatives to GATT, and they wrote my efficiency reports, as rating and reviewing officers, even though they really had no basis for observing or evaluating the work I did with Hal."Harter, J. J., & Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training. (2011). Pieces of history: The life and career of John J. Harter. Bloomington, IN: Xlibris Corp. [https://books.google.com/books?id=XYo60Tup0vkC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=harald+malmgren+pentagon&source=bl&ots=CYSaPwcgBj&sig=KwA_CweJbf7zwWsUvF_d3ph0ixU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-1ssVffWDcrAggTilYGQAQ&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false text found here]. Another source states "Harald B. Malmgren (1971), who participated while employed by the U.S. Overseas Development Council and later became a special trade representative under President Nixon."Woods, L. T. (1993). Asia-Pacific diplomacy: Nongovernmental organizations and international relations. Vancouver [B.C.: UBC Press. Also, according to the Public Papers of the Presidents of the United States [https://books.google.com/books?id=DcHcAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1242&lpg=PA1242&dq=harald+malmgren+presidential+advisor&source=bl&ots=EoLUYwHkS3&sig=5BViL-inh6msMK_6HUpm5aYfnjM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PGksVcP-KMeegwTLqYCYDw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=Harald%20Malmgren&f=false found here], in Appendix E, "also continuing will be the two Deputy Special Representatives for Trade Negotiations, Harald B. Malmgren and William R. Pearce." He is also published in Foreign Affairs Drouin, M., & Malmgren, H. B. (1981). CANADA, THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD ECONOMY. Foreign Affairs, 60(2), 393-413. as well as other notable journals many times. Here are a few decently reliable sites that offer descriptions and back him as advisor to several U.S. Presidents: [http://www.investorside.org/imain?p=26 Investorside on Malmgren speaking at the Metropolitan Club], [http://www.sldinfo.com/dr-harald-malmgren-2/ Second Line of Defense], [http://www.milkeninstitute.org/events/conferences/global-conference/1998/speaker-detail/675 Milken Institute], [http://cordellhullinstitute.org/role/principals.html Cordell Hull Institute], [http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a7jkfvQ1sdxE Bloomberg], [http://middleburgeccentric.com/scripts/newsmanager/templates/ecc_artical.aspx?articleid=2509&zoneid=2 Middleburg Eccentric].

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I think many of us forget that a lot of these things happened before the widespread use of the internet in record keeping. Thus we have to pursue research beyond the surface in order to establish credibility. Saying this, I expect those debating this deletion to not make hasty accusations (as by this point it should be apparent that this is definitely not a hoax), but to actually take the time to research the information of concern. By no means is the above argument perfect, but it is substantial enough to prove a point that this is legitimate. Therefore I believe the initial grievances/accusations have been dispelled by credible sources, and this instance of consideration for deletion should be quelled. Viivivaike (talk) 01:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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